How was the Concordia downed?

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dacis2

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Yes yes, i know, i'm back just to ask this question. How did they bring down the Concordia? It's a dreadnought right? by the way, the WC3 dreadnought could ram the Concordia and still come out unscathed right? (i remember reading in Wing Commander:False Colors that the WC3 Dread is 22km long, that's 22 times the length of the concordia, right?)
 
During the Battle of Terra, the Concordia took significant damage (principally from three torpedo hits IIRC), and as a result was subsequently assigned to “safe sector” patrols. In the Armada manual, she is described as “growing rather rickety after years of abuse”. (And keep in mind that her PTC presumably no longer worked or was simply not used.) In a rearguard action in the Vespus System, over Vespus, she was attacked and effectively destroyed. A survey crew, which included Blair, found the “broken hull lying half-submerged in the waters off the Mistral Coast”, the scene shown at the beginning of WC3.

Not sure why you’re asking the hypothetical on ramming, but I doubt that the ship, despite its size, would come out unscathed.
 
yes the dreadnought could come out unscathed. if you saw wc3 and played through the game and managed to fail the game... you'd see the victory ram the 22km dredanought and have the dreadnought come out unscathed. seeing as the concordia is roughly 200m longer than the victory it would have had the same impact and the dreadnought would have suffered damage to that one section but the rest of the ship would have been effectively unscathed.
 
Originally posted by Darkmage
yes the dreadnought could come out unscathed. if you saw wc3 and played through the game and managed to fail the game... you'd see the victory ram the 22km dredanought and have the dreadnought come out unscathed. seeing as the concordia is roughly 200m longer than the victory it would have had the same impact and the dreadnought would have suffered damage to that one section but the rest of the ship would have been effectively unscathed.
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No it doesn't -- the Kilrathi had several dreadnaughts...
 
I think it's clear in WC3 that the Victory rammed the Dreadnought and made quite some damage to it, if it didn't destroy it. As LOAF stated, the Kilrathi had other similar ships.

In her best shape, the Concordia would be a match for a Kilrathi Dreadnought, with her Big Gun™ and all those great pilots. (wouldn't it?)
 
Originally posted by Starkey
I think it's clear in WC3 that the Victory rammed the Dreadnought and made quite some damage to it, if it didn't destroy it. As LOAF stated, the Kilrathi had other similar ships.

In her best shape, the Concordia would be a match for a Kilrathi Dreadnought, with her Big Gun™ and all those great pilots. (wouldn't it?)
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Honestly? Probably not - if you managed to get a torpedo through the shields, the armor's thick enough to repel even THAT charge.

And since there are more of them kicking around... ow. Best to destroy them all over Kilrah by blowing up a planet below them. Even the best armor won't survive being hit by a good part of a continent. ;)
 
Originally posted by Starkey
In her best shape, the Concordia would be a match for a Kilrathi Dreadnought, with her Big Gun™ and all those great pilots. (wouldn't it?)
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No... it really wouldn't... The PTC would barely touch a 22km ship, and the fighters would probably barely even bother it. One of these ships is described as being able to rather seriously hurt the Confederation navy, pretty much by itself, circa False Colors.
 
Originally posted by TC


No... it really wouldn't... The PTC would barely touch a 22km ship, and the fighters would probably barely even bother it. One of these ships is described as being able to rather seriously hurt the Confederation navy, pretty much by itself, circa False Colors.
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Wasn't the quote by Tolwyn or Richards something along the lines of needing all of ConFleet to fight it to a standstill? Not even kill it, but fight it to a standstill.
 
Originally posted by Haesslich


Wasn't the quote by Tolwyn or Richards something along the lines of needing all of ConFleet to fight it to a standstill? Not even kill it, but fight it to a standstill.
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Something along that line... but the situation seemed to deserve a bit of hyperbole, so I assumed he was exagerating.
 
honestly? i think that IS an exageration. all they need would be a coupla (10-20) carriers, 50-75 Tallahassee and 100 Destroyers. that's not all of Confleet right?
 
Well, if the connie is no match to the 22Km long dreadnaught even WITH the PTC, do you think the WC1 Sivar would be better against the Connie?

NOTE: No, i do not want to instigate a Something Vs Something thread, this is important to the WC:FA MOD.
 
The WC1 Sivar was for attacking stationary installations... it couldn't down a Confederation class ship.
 
Me, in an Excalibur in the Rookie level, Invulnerability mode. :D

Realistically, it would take many capships and a mega-sized, well coordinated bomber attack, in order to take out not only the Dread, but also its well-armed escorts.

I think the Midway´s Big Gun™ could also take that Dreadnought.
 
Originally posted by Starkey
I think the Midway´s Big Gun™ could also take that Dreadnought.
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Quite possibly... considering said Big Gun™ nearly took out even the ship firing it...
Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? The Kraken "must have taken some damage in it's last battle", but I have another theory... Those Nephilim-produced Big Gun™'s require a refit after each shot, due to the sheer amount of power required to fire it. I for one didn't see any sort of damage on the nephilim Kraken... not externally(Perhaps a limitation of the engine, but they could have at least implimented a new texture)...
 
The Nephilim Big Gun™ almost took out THE MIDWAY after fired, because Confed engineers couldn´t handle the alien technology well at the time. I bet the aliens, who created the weapon, know how to work with it better so their Krakens don´t take risks when firing that thing.
 
That, and the fact that the ship that's firing it is actually built with the intention of firing it.
If Confed could figure out the principles behind the big Nephilim gun, they'd probably still need to haul the Midway into a dry dock and refit the ship so that it could avoid going *boom* when it used the gun.

The big question I have is this. If the Kilrathi had several dreadnoughts, and it took a sizeable portion of Confed's fleet to stop just one, why were the Kilrathi keeping them in reserve? We know at least one is operational at the start of WC3 (probably more, however), and I would have expected at least that one to be busy systematically destroying Confed navy.
Given just one of the things, there should have been no Confed navy left by the end of the game.

Oh, well. We know it (and others) existed, and apparently, for whatever reason, the Kilrathi decided to hold back with them.
 
Well...

* The dreadnaughts weren't being 'held in reserve' -- they were *just* coming into service in 2669... Thrakhath had developed them as the "final solution" in the war with the Confederation. They formed the backbone of the fleet which was set to launch a major war-ending offensive just as Kilrah was destroyed.

* FC's 'most of the fleet' remark refers to the post-war, pre-Vesuvius/Midway fleet.
 
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