hmm... special edition?

[Frosty]

Originally posted by PopsiclePete
Frosty, everyone knows AI is a pinnochio story set in the future,

No... everyone just says that to sound smart. Quarto probably read that somewhere, like PseudoSnob.fr's "What You Shouldn't Like" report.

even Kubrick said it when he handled it to Spielberg... and that's part of why Kubrick didn't want to do it himself; he didn't think he would be able to make this kind of disney-like fantassy movie. He thought it was more Spielberg's style.

That's a fun version of history Too bad it's not the real one. Kubrick wanted to do the movie for 20 years, but never got to it. And then he died. He didn't hand anything over to anyone. Speilberg yoinked it.

AI is still the best movie I've seen this yet this year

You need to see more movies. Jurassic Park 3 was better than AI.

 

[PopsiclePete]

Originally posted by Frosty
No... everyone just says that to sound smart.

Well, it's a story about a man-made kid robot (animated puppet) who wants to become human. For god's sake, David even asked the blue fairy to become human. I suppose I and everyone I know that have seen the movie just wanted to sound smart thinking this was a kind of Pinnochio. But wait Frosty, are you trying to sound smart by telling us that we say it's like Pinnochio just to look smart ?

That's a fun version of history Too bad it's not the real one.

It's nice to see someone who has the infinite knowledge. I suppose I have to believe you then.

Kubrick wanted to do the movie for 20 years, but never got to it. And then he died. He didn't hand anything over to anyone. Speilberg yoinked it.

And why exactly do you think he never "got to it" in 20 years ? He liked that script idea and wanted it to be done, but never did it because he wasn't confident he could make it right, because this kind of neo-Disney fantassy story isn't his genre. I never said that Kubrick handed over the script to Spielberg (read again), but Kubrick did say that it was more Spielberg's style.

You need to see more movies. Jurassic Park 3 was better than AI.

Must be a matter of taste then. I do see a lot of movies, and I usually prefer movies that require brain cells to enjoy; that's why I hated The Mummy Returns and Jurrasic Park. But then again , tastes and colors connot be discussed; you can't just insult people based on their tastes.

 

[AD]

From a reliable source I read that speilberg and kubrick apparently talked alot and aparantly even about Kubricks planned AI. However it wasnt till kubrick died that Kubricks brother in law aproached speilberg with the opportunity to actually do the movie. After which speilberg then went and did his own workover of Kubricks screenplay and then filmed the version we have today.

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[TC]

Frosty is quite correct. Kubrick looked into filming AI multiple times. Each time he felt that the present technology wasn't at a place that allowed him to make the movie what he wanted to. However, Speilburg's interpritation is very different than Kubrick's version would have been. Kubrick picked his shots, expanded on the story and did all kinds of other things spontaniously while shooting. Because of this, there wasn't a clear outline that one could follow and mimic Kubrick's vision.

TC

 

[PopsiclePete]

*sigh* sorry guys I think I must not be expressing my thoughts right. TC everything you said is true, AD everything you said is true.

I did NOT meant that Kubrick handed over the script to Spielberg, neither did I say that Spielberg got it before Kubrick's death. What I was trying to say is that although it was a project he really wanted to do, Kubrick didn't get to do it partly because he wasn't sure he could do this kind of movie right. And yes, (as AD said) he discussed his project with Spielberg... and yes he told him it was more his style of movie.

I also wanted to point out that some scenes in AI just feels like Kubrick; whether it's from the script's description of the scene or from Spielberg trying to mimic Kubrick, I don't know. (Remember the pool scene ?) And other scenes and just plain Spielberg.

But most importantly, who amongst you can honestly say that AI cannot be compared to Pinnochio ? Who amongst you think that comparing AI to Pinnochio deserve insults ? I think that's why I posted in the first place, I don't think Quarto deserved these insults,

 

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I would never insult somebody because of an opinion. However I think He was using sarcasm to point out that the annalogy between the boy in AI and pinochio is obvious to the extreme. Therefore they would almost need to have the IQ of a rock to miss it. However, In my opinion, the true underlying threads of this story are more subtle. Racism, Individualism, and Human relasionships... I wont elaborate here as I asume you are intelligent enough to ponder them on your own.

 

[LeHah]

Originally posted by PopsiclePete
Frosty, everyone knows AI is a pinnochio story set in the future...

I also noted some "Wizard of Oz" in there, as David and Teddy go looking for the "Blue Fairy" and also travel through the dark, dark woods with a "Tin Man".

What I was trying to say is that although it was a project he really wanted to do, Kubrick didn't get to do it partly because he wasn't sure he could do this kind of movie right.

Um, no.

Kubrick bought the rights to the short story it was based on "Supertoys Last All Summer Long" (Or something like that, I'm a bit out of my Kubrick phase) and wrote a treatment that the original writer found insulting since it was such a hardcore Pinnochio alligory. Kubrick, of course, told the man to go to hell.

Kubrick shot SFX footage in the early 1980s, most of it being for the "City in the Water" footage. I think he also attempted to hire a child actor to give some dialouge, with the thought of recasting him when he was 20 or so.

Kubrick died. I nearly bawled. Me and two of my close friends wore black armbands for two days and posted memorial pictures of Kubrick all over the school walls.

Spielberg had discussed a tiny bit of AI with Kubrick before his death. It should be noted, Spielberg sent a copy of his films to Kubrick weeks before they came out to get the man's approval. Kubrick never sent a single one of his, and very rarely talked about his projects.

Steven took over using Stanley's notes and Jan Harlan's (Kubrick's producer and brother-in-law) advice.