Farbourne
Rear Admiral
Hey all. I'm new to this site, but people here seem pretty interesting and well read. I have a question about a seeming inconsistency in the games that's always bugged me. It has to do with Hawk (Jacob Manley).
The question: Where and when (and on what ship) did Hawk serve with Iceman and Blair?
We know that Hawk served with both Iceman and Blair, and that he was serving with both of them at the time of Iceman's death (from WCP). Iceman was alive at the end of SM2 but dead by the beginning of WC2 (he is not included as a survivor of the Tiger's Claw either at the Piano-bar scene near the beginning of WC2 nor by Jazz on his list of people from the Claw to kill).
However, Hawk is also not mentioned as a survivor of the Claw in WC2, which implies that he never served on the Claw. The fact that Jazz doesn't include him on his vendetta list definitely implies that he was not on the Claw at the time of Thor's hammer, and he couldn't have served on the Claw earlier and been transferred off, because Iceman was still alive at that time. It's possible that he could have been transferred to the Claw after Thor's hammer, like Doomsday, but then why wouldn't Doomsday include him as a "Claw Survivor", as he does himself?
But if Hawk was never on the Claw, when did he serve with Blair and Iceman, since Blair was courtmarshalled and assigned to Caernarvon shortly after the Claw was destroyed, and Iceman was dead by the time Blair got off Caernarvon?
My best guess is that Hawk was on the Austin, and that Blair and Iceman flew off the Austin (presumably while it was escaping from K'Tithrak Mang) for a few days/weeks before the court marshall, and that's when Iceman bought it. Does anyone else have any thoughts?
The question: Where and when (and on what ship) did Hawk serve with Iceman and Blair?
We know that Hawk served with both Iceman and Blair, and that he was serving with both of them at the time of Iceman's death (from WCP). Iceman was alive at the end of SM2 but dead by the beginning of WC2 (he is not included as a survivor of the Tiger's Claw either at the Piano-bar scene near the beginning of WC2 nor by Jazz on his list of people from the Claw to kill).
However, Hawk is also not mentioned as a survivor of the Claw in WC2, which implies that he never served on the Claw. The fact that Jazz doesn't include him on his vendetta list definitely implies that he was not on the Claw at the time of Thor's hammer, and he couldn't have served on the Claw earlier and been transferred off, because Iceman was still alive at that time. It's possible that he could have been transferred to the Claw after Thor's hammer, like Doomsday, but then why wouldn't Doomsday include him as a "Claw Survivor", as he does himself?
But if Hawk was never on the Claw, when did he serve with Blair and Iceman, since Blair was courtmarshalled and assigned to Caernarvon shortly after the Claw was destroyed, and Iceman was dead by the time Blair got off Caernarvon?
My best guess is that Hawk was on the Austin, and that Blair and Iceman flew off the Austin (presumably while it was escaping from K'Tithrak Mang) for a few days/weeks before the court marshall, and that's when Iceman bought it. Does anyone else have any thoughts?