Has space been made too small?
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Bandit LOAF
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I wrote up a lot of the answers at work today, but I want to add stuff from my notes at home before I post anything...
I think (pretty sure) the number of dimensions is infinite. What do you mean by different layout? Shape? If so, I suppose so. For every possible thing there's another dimension, as far as I know. As I understand it: you go left or right: BOOM, 2 new dimensions: 1 for going left, another for goin' right. But then again, there's a dimension where you do this and that. For everything that can possibly be different in any way, more dimensions.
The Shadow
Spaceman
LOAF, how about "can more than one ship use the same jump point at the same time or can only one ship use the same jump point one at a time?" or something like that because in the WCM it was the said that the kilrathi were jumping into Sol "one ship at a time" and thus perhaps implying that more than one ship could jump at once.
Unforgiven
Spaceman
The Handbook suggests that's impossible, as a ship needs to be at the exact location of the jump point to jump, and no two ships can be at the exact same location at the same time.
I was just thinking aboutt he episode in TNG, All Good Things. I don't see how it's possible.
I.e. You get these films where somebody in the future sends somebody back to the past, and then for some reason the past timeline and future timeline plots carry on together.
A stupid example is DS9:- the one where they go back to that prison on Earth in 2026 or something like that. Basically when Graham Bell gets killed. for some reason the timeline in the future suddenly gets affected.
So, what they're trying to say is
That time runs on multiple levels, or you could use a bookcase as an example. so, two shelves of that bookcase can run parallel. I don't see how this is possible, since anything that has just happened now, has already happened, If I went back in time, and I did something, you'd feel the effect as soon as I travelled back. Not, when I do something to change the timeline. So in essence, you'd feel the change before I actually changed it back in the past
make sense?
So, this means. It cannot be possible to communicate with somebody in the past, the bookshelf theory (I just made that term up) cannot be possible, since time is one continuous line.
Having said that, there are beliefs that contradict this, and state that if you travelled forward / back in time, and say killed your grandfather, you'd be going back in time to another dimension and affecting that timeline. Otherwise you'd have a massive paradox on your hands. Having said that, how on earth would you get back to your own dimension?
Perhaps this makes Time travel and Dimensional travel impossible to predict and unwanted.
I.e. You get these films where somebody in the future sends somebody back to the past, and then for some reason the past timeline and future timeline plots carry on together.
A stupid example is DS9:- the one where they go back to that prison on Earth in 2026 or something like that. Basically when Graham Bell gets killed. for some reason the timeline in the future suddenly gets affected.
So, what they're trying to say is
That time runs on multiple levels, or you could use a bookcase as an example. so, two shelves of that bookcase can run parallel. I don't see how this is possible, since anything that has just happened now, has already happened, If I went back in time, and I did something, you'd feel the effect as soon as I travelled back. Not, when I do something to change the timeline. So in essence, you'd feel the change before I actually changed it back in the past
make sense?
So, this means. It cannot be possible to communicate with somebody in the past, the bookshelf theory (I just made that term up) cannot be possible, since time is one continuous line.
Having said that, there are beliefs that contradict this, and state that if you travelled forward / back in time, and say killed your grandfather, you'd be going back in time to another dimension and affecting that timeline. Otherwise you'd have a massive paradox on your hands. Having said that, how on earth would you get back to your own dimension?
Perhaps this makes Time travel and Dimensional travel impossible to predict and unwanted.
Originally posted by Treguard
I was just thinking aboutt he episode in TNG, All Good Things. I don't see how it's possible.
I.e. You get these films where somebody in the future sends somebody back to the past, and then for some reason the past timeline and future timeline plots carry on together.
A stupid example is DS9:- the one where they go back to that prison on Earth in 2026 or something like that. Basically when Graham Bell gets killed. for some reason the timeline in the future suddenly gets affected.
So, what they're trying to say is
That time runs on multiple levels, or you could use a bookcase as an example. so, two shelves of that bookcase can run parallel. I don't see how this is possible, since anything that has just happened now, has already happened, If I went back in time, and I did something, you'd feel the effect as soon as I travelled back. Not, when I do something to change the timeline. So in essence, you'd feel the change before I actually changed it back in the past
make sense?
So, this means. It cannot be possible to communicate with somebody in the past, the bookshelf theory (I just made that term up) cannot be possible, since time is one continuous line.
Having said that, there are beliefs that contradict this, and state that if you travelled forward / back in time, and say killed your grandfather, you'd be going back in time to another dimension and affecting that timeline. Otherwise you'd have a massive paradox on your hands. Having said that, how on earth would you get back to your own dimension?
Perhaps this makes Time travel and Dimensional travel impossible to predict and unwanted.
For the most part you were right on target. Before I get into the reasons, let me just state that dicussing temporal theory is like discussing religion or politics. Everyone has their own ideas and beliefs and until one idea is proven, and temporal theory is probably the only one of the three that can be proven right or wrong, we will never know who is "right." Now, I think that if you do go back in time and kill you grandfather or any other relative or person for taht matter who is vital to your exsistence, you won't just wink out in a blink of an eye. You'll have just crossed the barriers between temporal realities. But if you go back in time and kill say, George Bush before he becomes president (either one. It dosen't matter for my point which one) you will have altered your own temporal reality. History will be altered. Everyone else won't notice it. You, being at the center of the change, will when you get back to your own time. But if you wanted to change it back, go back to a point before or after your journey through time and somehow stop yourself. But no matter what, in one temporal reality or another, history will flow the same as before any changes you made.
Now evreyone take a deep breath and take two aspirin and if you still have a headache from this, you can beat me over my head with a blunt object.
Oh yeah and you were also right in that, time travel should be completely unwanted except to study history.
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It'd be interesting to see all the different theories.
To be honest, time travel is best left alone, and if it was developed, must be kept from those who:-
i) wanted to use it for military purposes
ii) wanted to use it for wreaking havoc etc
iii) were going to take an object (Afterall, somebody said (who knows) that picking up an object even a newspaper could cock things up
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It'd be interesting to see all the different theories.
To be honest, time travel is best left alone, and if it was developed, must be kept from those who:-
i) wanted to use it for military purposes
ii) wanted to use it for wreaking havoc etc
iii) were going to take an object (Afterall, somebody said (who knows) that picking up an object even a newspaper could cock things up
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Imagine: you trvel back in time, eat a banana and throw away the peel. Then, 5 years before Chris Roberts makes starts work on WC, he trips on YOUR banana-peel. Blam. No more WC. Thank you very much. Would you die now? Thank you. (not aimed at anyone except the person who travels back in time)
I recommend nobody ever trying time travel. (even though if I had the chance, I'd go back a year and... but that's not WC, so...
I recommend nobody ever trying time travel. (even though if I had the chance, I'd go back a year and... but that's not WC, so...
Battler Hawke
Spaceman
to other theariy come to mind (ok tv series and a novel series) red dworf the episold where they go back and prevent kennidy from being killed and have kinnidy kill him self.
and the adventers of conred stargard the theary is that you can forget your keys and take your keys with you the theary is that you can do both by time merging back in on it self faster of slower depending on the impact of the event like if you turn left or right if nothing mager happins like you getting muged then time will merge in that day or a couple of days and you did both.
The Shadow
Spaceman
i dont think time travel should be used at all if it ever becomes possible.... it is too risky and i dont think it is possible to use it safely in any way.
Bhaktadil, i remember reading somewhere of how scientists have already developed an extremely primative teleportation device already.... but by "teleportation" they refer to the ability to make one molecule interact with another without the two actually making any form of normal contact. i still think it is very interesting though... any thoughts?
Bhaktadil, i remember reading somewhere of how scientists have already developed an extremely primative teleportation device already.... but by "teleportation" they refer to the ability to make one molecule interact with another without the two actually making any form of normal contact. i still think it is very interesting though... any thoughts?
My take on time travel.
If you travelled back in time I don't think its possible for you to affect a major change to the timeline. Suppose you travel back in time and kill Hitler to prevent WWII. So you eliminate him back in the 1920s before he's had a chance to influence major events. Therefore WWII, the holocaust, et al don't occur. But here's the problem. The only reason you killed Hitler is because you wanted to stop him from doing what he did. But since he dies without causing all that hell, in your present you have no reason to go back and eliminate him. Because he never rises to prominence, in all likelihood you've never heard of him and therefore have no reason to go back and kill him. If you don't go back and kill him then history as we currently know it occurs. Thus you end up in a loop. Your elimination of Hitler creates a new future in which you don't go back to waste him, which in turn causes history to revert to its original course.
My 2 cents...
If you travelled back in time I don't think its possible for you to affect a major change to the timeline. Suppose you travel back in time and kill Hitler to prevent WWII. So you eliminate him back in the 1920s before he's had a chance to influence major events. Therefore WWII, the holocaust, et al don't occur. But here's the problem. The only reason you killed Hitler is because you wanted to stop him from doing what he did. But since he dies without causing all that hell, in your present you have no reason to go back and eliminate him. Because he never rises to prominence, in all likelihood you've never heard of him and therefore have no reason to go back and kill him. If you don't go back and kill him then history as we currently know it occurs. Thus you end up in a loop. Your elimination of Hitler creates a new future in which you don't go back to waste him, which in turn causes history to revert to its original course.
My 2 cents...