Evil Blair at the end of WCIV??

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I'm sure this has already been discussed so apologies if I'm repeating someone else here but I have a question about the final video on WCIV.

I got the video player program and just finished watching through all the videos and in the final climactic scene, there is a 30 second or so clip where Blair is in Admiral Tolwyn's office and Hawk comes in telling him about an uprising on a planet.

Blair orders the Black Lance in to sort it out and basically he's taken Admiral Tolwyn's place!!

This totally surprised me coz where the hell does it ever come into the game that this finale is possible?

Was it originally supposed to be in the game but they didn't include it and left this clip in by accident?

Very strange! Reminded me very much of the Dark Jedi finale in Jedi Knight Dark Forces II where you become the Emperor and order an uprising to be crushed which is pretty :cool:

btw I only found this site the other day and have to say it's great to see there is still a thriving WC community! I love these games so much, definitely the best ongoing series of games ever made alongside the Ultima series! Origin of old certainly knew how to make great games....
 
no, it's supposed to be in there. it's what happens if you side with hawk both times (ie, going to sparadon and using the flashpak on Ella)

and BTW, welcome to the forum
 
Oh!! Jeez that's an awfully drastic change for Blair ain't it?? He goes to all that trouble to take down Tolwyn only to pretty much become the guy in the end?

Thanks for the welcome btw, good to be here.
 
Isn't the "Evil Blair" supposed to happen if you use the flash pack to destroy the station (rather than the carrier)?

If you use the flash pack to destroy the carrier, you get the "Flying Blair" ending instead...

Of course, I wouldn't know since I can't play the damn gamn (so I just watched the video instead).
 
No, it's decided based on Hawk and Panther's morale. If Panther has higher morale, you're a flight instructor. If Hawk has higher morale, you're the Admiral. The the big morale decisions are Ella, Spearadon and Circe and the bit about the assembly voting soon, IIRC, as they're the ones where one character's morale goes up as well as the other's going down. There are a number of other discussions that have impact as well, however.
 
Originally posted by Aries
no, it's supposed to be in there. it's what happens if you side with hawk both times (ie, going to sparadon and using the flashpak on Ella)
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Ugh. Every couple weeks this comes up and people have misconceptions about how to reach the different endgames. Just to reiterate, as TC said, it has to do with Hawk and Panther's morale ratings. It's possible to go to Speradon, use the Flashpak and still get the positive ending (and vice versa) if you play your other cards right. And welcome aboard Ghostrider!
 
Pantha is against using the Flashpak on Ella, because it has about 3000 crewmembers, whereas the Vesuvius is not running on a full crew (don't quote me on this, I'm not sure)
 
Is "Pantha" and the "Vesivias" some kind of game lingo?

Well, the fact is that there were a lot of civilians in Ella, and the superbase isn't isolated from the rest of the system. It's the big question about how are civilian casualities are acceptable in warfare - something that was a big deal in the recent war.
 
mmm...there was the option to flashpak Ella? really dont remember that. why was that an option? to pass the Intrepid by to get to Earth?

And Delance, some might say the Evil Blair is Tony Blair :)
then again, others might say he is just the sidekick
 
Originally posted by Kalfor
mmm...there was the option to flashpak Ella? really dont remember that. why was that an option? to pass the Intrepid by to get to Earth?
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that was an option because in order to catch up with tolwyn, you have to go through the Ella superbase. hawk says that taking out the base (so they couldn't launch an attack on you) is the best option, while panther says the best one is to make a run for the jump point. personally, i usually side with panther
 
I always chose Panther's option, to not use the flashpack on Ella. According to her, the SUperbase is not isolated from the rest of the system, so using the flashpack there would cause civilian casualties. And even though this is war, and if i wasn't able to stop Tolwyn more lives could be lost i just couldn't bring myself to using the flashpack on the superbase.

So is the Vesuvius difficult to destroy with regular torpedoes if you use the flashpack at Ella?
 
Originally posted by ck9791
I always chose Panther's option, to not use the flashpack on Ella. According to her, the SUperbase is not isolated from the rest of the system, so using the flashpack there would cause civilian casualties. And even though this is war, and if i wasn't able to stop Tolwyn more lives could be lost i just couldn't bring myself to using the flashpack on the superbase.

So is the Vesuvius difficult to destroy with regular torpedoes if you use the flashpack at Ella?
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Well, the Official Guide done by Chris McCubbin states that, if you used the Flashpak on Ella, that you need to fly into the Vesuvius' hangar and volley-fire your torps once on the inside and then run like hell and hope you survive. :D
 
It's not too hard, but it sure seems a lot more natural and fitting to use it on the Vesuvius. Almost like it was originally written that way, and then the Ella option was written in later to provide an optional plot twist.
 
Originally posted by ChrisReid
Almost like it was originally written that way, and then the Ella option was written in later to provide an optional plot twist.
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True, it looks like the natrual thing. It's also likely that Blair would side with Panther on the moral option.
 
Originally posted by ck9791

So is the Vesuvius difficult to destroy with regular torpedoes if you use the flashpack at Ella?
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Not really, if you use them in volley mode. The biggest problem is that the Vesuvius explodes around you and there is a fair chance that you don't make it out of the landing bay in time. At least that happened to me a couple of times.
 
Ella/Vesuvius

There is another way to handle the FP decision:

Chose to FP the base, but don't use the FP. Between the torps and fission cannons, a Dragon has more than enough firepower to wax the base with conventional weapons.

By doing this, not only do you get fewer fighters to deal with in Ella (though the extra time to destroy the base limits the actual net savings), but you also get to have the FP available to you when you go to face the Vesuvius.
 
Personally, the flight instructor ending is pissy. I would rather be a General any day :)

Oh well, a few civvies here or there, just keeping the population explosion under wraps! :p
 
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