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Lorien

Rear Admiral
If the original Concordia was a class of ship, meaning there was supposed to be more than one, then why is the TCS Victory in WCIII called a Concordia class ship in the begining of the movie when Blair is re-assigned? I just recently re-played the game when I noticed that he was being re-assigned by tolwyn to the victory. Can anyone confirm my memory?
I think you're mis-remembering the line "She's no Concordia", which refers to the Confederation-class dreadnought.
 

Exterminator17

Spaceman
You are right! I went to my bible and its a strike carrier, no class name. Someone needs to fill in this info. I know it should be out there somewhere on this website :)
 

ChrisReid

Super Soaker Collector / Administrator
If the original Concordia was a class of ship, meaning there was supposed to be more than one, then why is the TCS Victory in WCIII called a Concordia class ship in the begining of the movie when Blair is re-assigned?
I don't understand the question. As has been pointed out, the Victory is never said to be Concordia class, but what are you getting at? There have been three ships and two classes named Concordia.
 

Exterminator17

Spaceman
I actually found out that Victory IS a concordia class Strike Carrier. Found it in the CiC ship database two nights ago while looking up the concordia herself. You have the Concordia Dreadnaught Class herselft and then you have the Concordia Strike Carrier Class ships that the Lex and Victory are a part of. You see, when you create a ship, in most navies, you do not create just a one of, but a series or class of ships. An example is the Nimitz class aircraft carriers of the USA, Nimitz, Stenis, Regan, Bush, Roosevelt, Linclon, and a couple others, 12 in all, but I can not name them all. In france during WWII the built the Strausbourg class battleships that were destroid by the british fleet. The Japanese had the Yamato class, in Wing Commander you had the Fralthi and the Snakier class cruiser and Carriers.

I just couldnt figure out why they had the Concordia and then called the Victory a Concordia class ship...I can not find anything in the background to find out why the strike carriers that carry the Concordia name would not have the phase transite cannon unless its because of the instability problems you all had referenced.
 

Red Baron

Rear Admiral
Its even more complex, the Victory is a Yorktown class ship, the Lexington is Concordia class. Just search the forums for "Concordia" to read about the extensive discussions regarding that topic.
 

ChrisReid

Super Soaker Collector / Administrator
I actually found out that Victory IS a concordia class Strike Carrier. Found it in the CiC ship database two nights ago while looking up the concordia herself.
Where did you see this? Do you have a link? You have some incorrect information here. The ships database page for the Victory points out that it's Yorktown class https://www.wcnews.com/ships/wc3confedlightcarrier.shtml

You have the Concordia Dreadnaught Class herselft and then you have the Concordia Strike Carrier Class ships that the Lex and Victory are a part of.
The Lexington in WC4 is Concordia class, but where are you seeing the "strike carrier" part? The Lexington and Victory are not the same class.

You see, when you create a ship, in most navies, you do not create just a one of, but a series or class of ships
Everyone at the CIC Forums is familiar with how this works.
 
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U

Unregistered

Guest
perhaps he mean the info from the Wing Commander Bible.

On Page 88:

CV-40 Victory
Strike Carrier
700 Meters
78.000 Tons

11 Dual Laser Turrets
85 Fighter Complement

3000 Shield
1000 Armor Each
 

ChrisReid

Super Soaker Collector / Administrator
Good catch. That's possible, and it's also not an accurate thing to go by. The Yorktown class TCS Victory featured in WC3 is a light carrier. It's different than the similar looking Concordia class fleet carriers seen in WC4.
 

Exterminator17

Spaceman
Sorry for the late reply, I am on dialup and we just got back from columbus day vacation, camping where WiFi doesnt exist :(

Yes, I have the bible downloaded and most of what I was asking and referencing came from there as well as doing text searches through the CIC ship database. I appologize if this has been hashed over before, but some of the questions asked were somewhat...puzzling as to what I was asking about for people with so much knowledge of the WC universe. Since a lot of the info is based off of US WWII naval doctrine and ship classification, Jeep Carriers and Essex class carriers, I was trying to get a handle on the same in the WC universe. It was confusing to me for Victory to, in my mind, be called, and this is what started it, a Concordia Class carrier, when she was more of an Escort or Jeep carrier (a carrier meant to shuttle fighters or protect unimportant or low priority sectors) during the WCIII game, this was what I thought Blair was assigned to. And then in WCIV, the Lex was a similar if not identical function. So I do appologize for any confusion I have added in the discussion, I am just trying to straighten out this mess in my head so that I can help my kids enjoy the game as they play

Andy
 

Exterminator17

Spaceman
Does anyone have an external view of the Tarawa?? I just went through the online ship database but nada was displayed for the ship. I love the flight deck images.
 

Dundradal

Frog Blast the Vent Core!
The CIC database won't contain an Wake-Class CVE images. WCPedia does have a Wake page. At the very bottom is a link to fan art that has some external images of the Wake class. Those are fan renders of the ship from the ER cover art and should be what you are seeking.
 
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Red Baron

Rear Admiral
And here's a summary of the classes you are so confused about, its been mentioned multiple times but you seem to have missed it:

WC2 TCS Concordia - Confederation class Dreadnought
WC3 TCS Victory - Yorktown class Light Carrier
WC4 TCS Lexington - Concordia class Fleet Carrier

I know your mind desperately tries to tell you "Concordia class must look like TCS Concordia and WC3 Carrier = WC4 carrier" (mine certainly did), but those are the facts. If you really want to know the deeper meanings, read the Concordia FAQ https://www.wcnews.com/articles/art48.shtml or search the forums.
 
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Mace

Vice Admiral
And then in WCIV, the Lex was a similar if not identical function. Andy
If you listen carefully to the discussion Blair has with Eisen in WC4, he is enthousiastic about the step-up eisen came from the victory to the lexington. Generally a ship class is named after the first ship that rolls out of the dock(although I do not have claw marks at the hand ATM, I believe the tiger's claw was the first bengal, and the concordia(wc2) was the first confederation class)

It is not uncommon to recycle shipnames however, especially for " legendary" names. The movie concordia could never be the WC2 concordia, only because of the PTC, that was constructed using captured technology from the wreckage of the sivar(correct me if I am wrong, but I'm pretty sure the WC2 instruction manual states this somewhere).
 

ChrisReid

Super Soaker Collector / Administrator
I am just trying to straighten out this mess in my head so that I can help my kids enjoy the game as they play
That's kind of a red flag there. Your kids should be having tons of fun with the games as they are without worrying about what class the Victory and Lexington are.

If you listen carefully to the discussion Blair has with Eisen in WC4, he is enthousiastic about the step-up eisen came from the victory to the lexington. Generally a ship class is named after the first ship that rolls out of the dock(although I do not have claw marks at the hand ATM, I believe the tiger's claw was the first bengal,
Claw Marks does say this, and the WC movie Confed Handbook actually clears this up as it makes it more complicated. It talks about the Bengals as an older class that started with the TCS Bengal and leaves room for the Tiger's Claw to be the first in an upgraded block of Bengals.

and the concordia(wc2) was the first confederation class)
I don't think that one's an issue. We know of multiple Confederation class ships from the start of WC2, and the first was probably the TCS Confederation.
 
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