Destroyers 101 (March 1, 2006)

Bandit LOAF

Long Live the Confederation!
We've had some questions as to exactly what the ships listed in this week's poll are. Don't feel bad if you don't know them all -- not everyone can be Ivan Borger Jr.! Here's a brief rundown of each destroyer:

Valiant-class Destroyer: The Valiant-class is largely unknown. It was mentioned only briefly in Wing Commander: Action Stations. By the time the war started in 2634, they were already old: Ensign Tolwyn was surprised to notice "an ancient Confed Valiant class destroyer" at Gar's Emporium.


Achilles-class Destroyer/Transport/Fighter Transport: Achilles-class hulls appear to be the workhorses of the fleet in Wing Commander Academy. The ships serve as destroyers (TCS Ajax), transports (TCS Suffolk) and Fighter Transports (TCS Morgan). An Achilles-class ship also appears in the show's introduction sequence. The ships carry three Dual-Mount Laser Turret, one Single-Mount Laser Turret and one Dual-Mount Missile Turret... along with a 19-ship fighter complement. The Achilles-class should not be confused with the later TCS Achilles, a Heavy Cruiser destroyed by the BWS Intrepid shortly before Blair's defection... nor Achilles, a mining station in the Troy System... nor "Achilles," a Tiger's Claw pilot in 2654.


Exeter-class Destroyer: The Exeter-class was the first destroyer we ever loved... or, at least, the first one we ever saw: other than the Tiger's Claw, the Exeter was the only Confederation warship seen in the original Wing Commander. Notable Exeters include the Carraway, the Formidable, Gwenhyvar, Johann, Mitchell Hammock, Oregon, Talmud, Trygvie Lie, U Thant and the Vindicator. The Exeter's armament consists of six Dual-Mount Laser Batteries, four Single-Mount Laser Turrets, one Triple-Mount Laser Battery and one Spiculum IR Missile Tube. Exeters also boast an 18 ship fighter complement.

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Gilgamesh-class Destroyer: The Gilgamesh was Wing Commander II's answer to the Exeter. Loyal Gilgamesh-class ships, the Hector and the William Tell, followed the Concordia wherever she went. Gilgamesh-class ships were in service than a lot longer than that, though - in fact, 2nd Lt. Blair's first assignment out of Flight School was a 30-hour stint on the TCS Gilgamesh herself. The Gilgamesh is armed with two Flak Cannons and two Anti-Matter Guns.

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Paradigm-class Destroyer: The Paradigm was the only Confederation capital ship to appear in Wing Commander: Privateer. Commodores Reismann and Uhler both commanded Paradigm groups, and the powerful ships could be found engaging in anti-terrorism, anti-piracy and border defense missions throughout the Gemini Sector. The Paradigm mounts five forward guns: two Meson Blasters, two Tachyon Cannons and an Ionic Pulse Cannon. Earlier models have a Triple-Mount Laser Turret and a Triple-Mount Mass Driver Turret. Later versions replace these with a Dual-Particle Cannon, Single-Ionic Pulse Cannon Turret and a Dual-Neutron Gun, Single-Ionic Pulse Cannon Turret. The two versions have different missile loadouts as well. The initial Paradigms carried ten Dart DFs, two Spiculum IRs and a Javelin HS. Later models double the Javelin HS loadout and replace the Darts with eight Pilum FoFs. The TCS Paradigm herself appears in an Origin FX screensaver model, the appropriately titled TCS Paradigm. That same ship was the Confederation's flagship in 2664!

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Coventry-type Destroyer/Minelayer: The Coventry-type may not have an official name... but it's certainly one of the most popular destroyers, owing to its appearance in Wing Commander III and Wing Commander IV! Two of the Victory's escorts, the TCS Sheffield and the TCS Coventry, were of this class. The class predates the war itself... but a design upgrade at some point added the capacity to carry a half-squadron of medium fighters (in fact, we know the name isn't Coventry-class specifically because the Coventry is newer than the Sheffield). Coventry-type ships mount nine gun turrets: eighter nine dual-mount laser turrets or eight dual mount laser turrets and one dual-mount antimatter gun. They are also modified for use as minelayers and frigates.

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Durango-class Heavy Destroyer: The Confederation retired the Durango-class in 2663... but the Border Worlds didn't -- the famous BWS Intrepid began its life as the TCS Delphi! The Durango is a heavy favorite in this poll specifically because it's the one destroyer Wing Commander fans are intimately familiar with... having served off of one throughout most of Wing Commander IV. Durango-class ships carry eight dual laser turrets and several torpedo tubes.

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Murphy-class Destroyer: The Murphy-class, on the other hand, is shiny and new. These destroyers are a post-war design which premiered in Wing Commander: Secret Ops. Notable Murphy-class ships include the Arkhangelsk, Foehammer, Kuznetsova and Leonov.
The Murphy-class carries three dual mount heavy lasers, four single mount heavy lasers, two dual mount missile turrets, eight starfighters and a central Mk. 4 heavy plasma cannon.

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Original update published on March 1, 2006
 
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Hey, LOAF. I think I found a typo:

Coventry-type ships mount nine gun turrets: eighter nine dual-mount laser turrets or eight dual mount laser turrets and one dual-mount antimatter gun.
 
Heh, thanks! That was a lot of text that got stuck together really quickly... I'll fix it in just a moment.

We could certainly do Tankers 101. First, though -- my notes say the Amadeus-type (WC3) transport appears as a tanker... but I can't imagine where. Does anyone know?
 
Bandit LOAF said:
We could certainly do Tankers 101. First, though -- my notes say the Amadeus-type (WC3) transport appears as a tanker... but I can't imagine where. Does anyone know?
WC3 transport? Hmm, the only WC3 tanker missions I actually remember are the ones where you capture Kilrathi tankers, but that's obviously not it. However, for some reason I find myself thinking that the mission where a friendly transport blows up in your face (a Strakha or asteroid fighter ambush, don't remember for sure) may have involved a tanker.

About these destroyers, all of a sudden I'm very curious if we have shots of the Achilles-class destroyer from any other angles. What interests me is that it appears to have a double hull (joined together by the big top section). If this is indeed the case, it would form a sort of continuity with the Durango-class... which would make some sense, considering how much canon research appeared to go into WCA ship designs.
 
Destroyers are fun. Look at all the engines of the Gilgamesh class. And what are those big things on the front, weapons?
 
I think those are torpedo tubes.

And what I'd like to know is why a ship like the Durango, with its own opened ended flight deck and multiple fighter wings, is refered to as a destroyer. When I was playing WC4 there was no doubt in my mind what it was- carrier. I bet Pliers modified her himself with nothing' but a screwdriver and a fiew shoelaces...
 
Marc said:
I think those are torpedo tubes.

And what I'd like to know is why a ship like the Durango, with its own opened ended flight deck and multiple fighter wings, is refered to as a destroyer. When I was playing WC4 there was no doubt in my mind what it was- carrier. I bet Pliers modified her himself with nothing' but a screwdriver and a fiew shoelaces...
If I remember correctly kilrathi destroyers had fighter complements and I think it's similar here.
 
WC3 transport? Hmm, the only WC3 tanker missions I actually remember are the ones where you capture Kilrathi tankers, but that's obviously not it. However, for some reason I find myself thinking that the mission where a friendly transport blows up in your face (a Strakha or asteroid fighter ambush, don't remember for sure) may have involved a tanker.

Official guide calls those 'freighters' (it was a Strakha ambush, in the Blackmane series).

About these destroyers, all of a sudden I'm very curious if we have shots of the Achilles-class destroyer from any other angles. What interests me is that it appears to have a double hull (joined together by the big top section). If this is indeed the case, it would form a sort of continuity with the Durango-class... which would make some sense, considering how much canon research appeared to go into WCA ship designs.

I grabbed a few screenshots. Looks like your theory pans out:

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Even more interesting, the 'fighter transport' version seems to have its fighter bay slung underneath it in exactly the same manner as is described in the Wing Commander IV novel:

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And what I'd like to know is why a ship like the Durango, with its own opened ended flight deck and multiple fighter wings, is refered to as a destroyer. When I was playing WC4 there was no doubt in my mind what it was- carrier. I bet Pliers modified her himself with nothing' but a screwdriver and a fiew shoelaces...

The launch bay is a late addition - the Border Worlds added it to convert the Delphi from a destroyer into a light carrier.

We could do Cruisers 101 too.

Certainly.
 
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Delance said:
Destroyers are fun. Look at all the engines of the Gilgamesh class.

The Gilgamesh destroyers are extremely fast. They can outrun almost any capship, except for something like a Hades.
 
I always loved the Paradigm. The only problem is that it does not really look like a Terran ship at all.

The Paradigm class is ... I don't know... too smooth and sophisticated looking.
 
gevatter Lars said:
The Paradigm allways reminds me of a StarWars ship...think was called Mon Calamari cruisers (the winged version.)
I don't think that's the one you're looking for. The mon cal was very organic while the paradigm is very angular in design.
 
Only the 'Privateer Remake' Paradigm is angular. :) The actual ship is a series of rounded ovaloids.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
I grabbed a few screenshots. Looks like your theory pans out. [...] Even more interesting, the 'fighter transport' version seems to have its fighter bay slung underneath it in exactly the same manner as is described in the Wing Commander IV novel.
Very neat. It would be interesting to know whether this was indeed intentional, or merely a fortunate coincidence, but either way, it's pretty great. I always liked the way the triangle-shaped destroyers seem to have a continuity of design (....if you sorta squint, you can even pretend that the Murphy design is an extension of the triangle-shaped line of development), and I like that that the double-hulled type also has some continuity, rather than the Durango merely being a freak of nature.

Tarquinn said:
I always loved the Paradigm. The only problem is that it does not really look like a Terran ship at all.
The Paradigm class is ... I don't know... too smooth and sophisticated looking.
Well, it is very smooth and rounded and all that... but it also seems like it evolved out of the Gilgamesh (which also was much more rounded than the Exeter). I reckon that if somebody painted it WC2-style, it would fit right in with the Gilgamesh.
 
Quarto said:
Well, it is very smooth and rounded and all that... but it also seems like it evolved out of the Gilgamesh (which also was much more rounded than the Exeter). I reckon that if somebody painted it WC2-style, it would fit right in with the Gilgamesh.
Maybe, but what's up with that alien looking greenish engine... stripe.

That's pretty much a unique feature of the Paradigm class.
 
Tarquinn said:
Maybe, but what's up with that alien looking greenish engine... stripe.
Yeah, it is very weird, especially in a game where green-glowing elements are the hallmark of Steltek design. Still, imagine that if it was textured WC2-style, the stripe would probably be red, and would again fit in pretty well (since the Gilgamesh certainly doesn't lack red-glowing elements).
 
ChrisReid said:
The Gilgamesh destroyers are extremely fast. They can outrun almost any capship, except for something like a Hades.

Explains why they ripped the old transport engines out of the CVEs and dropped some of the same engines into them...
 
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