Concordia-class Super Cruiser

Dragon1

Dragon1

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I have been a fan of the WC games and novels since I was 10 years old and saw the 1990 review of WC1 in Electronic Gaming Monthly magazine.

I may be the minority on this, but I do not feel that the Wing Commander Movie that was released in the late '90s did the universe a service (distortion of the timeline, a 60 year old Tolwyn in 2654, bad concept for the Kilrathi, etc...).

Although I did like the Concordia-class Super Cruiser design. Does anyone know where I can acquire some pics for my computer? Does anybody have any official specs for this ship?

-Thanks
 
The official specs are in the Confederation Handbook, which is the 'in-character' guide to the movie's technology and some of the history concerning Pilgrims and the Kilrathi war. As far as debating the canon or non-canon nature of the movie... that thread's been beat to death over the past few years, so don't even start. :D
 
Are the Concordia-class Super Cruisers the 'battleships' that fought at McAuliffe in the novels? I noticed in the beginning of the movie, when the Pegasus TCN base was attacked, that there appeared to be many of these ships in service. Anybody have any images?
 
The supercruisers were commisioned in 2645 - twelve years after McAulliffe. It's quite possible the battlewagons had similar designs, though.

I don't have any screencaps handy at the moment ... I do have a couple shots of the supercruiser model I'm working on sporadically.

supercruiser.jpg
 
Play Starlancer, although i´m not sure if the ships in the cutscene were concordia class, has been quite a while
 
I've got the Confederation Handbook right infront of me right now, here's the specs.

Concordia-Class Supercruiser

Currently the largest battleship in Confed's fleet, the Concordia class was originally developed during the Pilgrim War. The original Concordia was named the Confed flagship in 2645 and serves as a mobile command center for Naval operations. Defended by 30 point-defense missiles (for fighter defense) and 4 primary antimatter guns, the main offensive asset of the Concordia class is its 50 torpedo tubes, capable of launching both ship-to-ship and ship-to-planet munitions, including strategic weapons. It also mounts a small fighter deck capable of carrying a light squadron of about 20 medium fighters or fighter/bombers. In keeping with its fleet command function, the Concordia class mounts enhanced longrange communications and sensor packages. Standard protocol calls for a Concordia-class ship to travel in company with at least two destroyers and a cruiser (or larger battleship). Transports frequently convoy with a Concordia-class ship, since its fleet command function makes it a natural focus for ship tenders and other resupply operations. The Concordia class takes 700 officers and crew, plus additional space for up to 350 working supercargo (command support and fleet operations personnel, plus a full hospital facility with a standing staff of 75). There's additional space for up to 300 hospital patients and up to 60 prisoners in the brig, plus limited accommodations for non-crew passengers.

Length 855 meters
Mass 73,000 tonnes
Max Velocity 100 kps
Cruise Velocity 50 kps
Weapons 30 Point-Defense
4 Antimatter Guns
50 Torpedo Tubes
Light fighter complement
Armor Fore and aft meson shields
35 cm fore/aft armor
30 cm port/starboard armor
 
Dragon1,

Please tread lightly. You've only been registered yesterday yet you are starting up too many threads and posting too much posts. The best thing for you to do right now is to use your best friend, the search button, to look up issues in the very likely event that what you are posting has already been discussed. That way, you won't irritate the CIC CZ veterans and draw attention to yourself.
 
Chris Blair said:
I've got the Confederation Handbook right infront of me right now, here's the specs.

Concordia-Class Supercruiser

Currently the largest battleship in Confed's fleet.....Standard protocol calls for a Concordia-class ship to travel in company with at least two destroyers and a cruiser (or larger battleship).
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Kinda of weird for confed's largest battleship to be escorted by a larger battleship don't you think?

And in tune with Psych, Dragon1 the search button holds mysteries and revelations you will fail to believe...just some friendly advice..
 
Looks like they are just using the term "battleship" as a generic designation for a warship, rather then a specific classification for a warship that is larger then a cruiser.

I think they did the same thing when they said the movie Fralthi was the standard Kilrathi battleship for a certain period of time.
 
I see.
I always pictured the battlewagons at the beginning of the war to be these huge ships with a lot of heavy turrets (basically like a plunkett and all its heavy weapons). 4 AMGs doesn't seem like a lot for a battleship, in AS it seems like the Yorkshire and North Carolina have a lot of heavy weapons.
 
Bob McDob said:
The supercruisers were commisioned in 2645 - twelve years after McAulliffe. It's quite possible the battlewagons had similar designs, though.

I don't have any screencaps handy at the moment ... I do have a couple shots of the supercruiser model I'm working on sporadically.

supercruiser.jpg
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Awesome model, Bob McDob. Too bad we don't see it in any of the games though. And I guess there's no place for it in the WC Saga Mod(?), because it takes place when these things were already decommissioned... :(
 
I think they did the same thing when they said the movie Fralthi was the standard Kilrathi battleship for a certain period of time.
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They also refer to the Exeters as 'battleships' in the original game. (Which, of course, makes the fact that Hunter thinks the word is odd in Fleet Action all the stranger... but I digress.)

I see.
I always pictured the battlewagons at the beginning of the war to be these huge ships with a lot of heavy turrets (basically like a plunkett and all its heavy weapons). 4 AMGs doesn't seem like a lot for a battleship, in AS it seems like the Yorkshire and North Carolina have a lot of heavy weapons.
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The battleships in Action Stations predate the need/requirement that weapons 'skip' phase shields - they'd be designed around the ability to field the largest calibur plasma weapons possible... rather than as many AMGs as possible, like later ships.
 
That's why I figured they would be huge ships, because in AS they talk about the need for larger ships to house bigger generators for shields and more heavy weapons. During the battle it just seems like the ships should be massive with the amount of firepower they are slinging back and forth...
 
What is the large snout mounted to the forecastle of the Concordia-class Super Cruiser? Is it a CSM, some kind of advanced beam weapon, or something totally different?

-Thanks all!
 
No one knows what it is. It's not listed in the ships specifications. Could be a launch tube.
 
Here's a picture I found of the Concordia off google. It's practically the same pic used in the Confed Handbook.
 

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Is there a Wing Commander backstory to the name Concordia? So far there were at least three Concordias that I know of in the Kilrathi War.
1) A fleet carrier lost at the Battle of McAuliffe, 2634
2) A super cruiser around the time of the Venice Offensive, 2654
3) A dreadnought completed about 2660 and lost in 2669.
I wouldn't be surprised if Confed decided to name a new Vesuvius or Midway-class Carrier TCS Concordia

I cannot find any historical refference to the name or famous warships of the past!
Was this just a personal favorite of Chris Roberts'?
 
There's a 'Concordia University' in Austin (it's a popular name for schools)... which is probably where the name originally came from (Stephen Beeman or Ellen Guon or some other WC2 bigwig probably had some relation to the school).

The Action Stations Concordia was originally written as the same ship - it wasn't until editing that someone pointed out that the WC2 Concordia couldn't be that old. That's why the "Oh, and the Concordia blew up too" bit seems so abrupt at the end (as well as "Maybe Tolwyn will command... *ANOTHER* Concordia!").
 
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