Originally posted by Needaham45
Delance, no one has died for Utopia, because Utopia has never been acchieved. Communism has never actually occured.
That's a Sophism. Communism never occurred because it's an unrealistic, unnatural, brutal system that will only result in tyranny and genocide. They tried to implement it and what happened? Totalitarianism and genocide.
Now, to justify its total and absolute failure, apologists come and say it never "truly" happened. So, because it failed so miserably, it never happened, so it's still good! It’s not important if millions died in the process, it's their fault anyway, because they are not "evolved" enough. It's such a phallacy it's hard to actually respond to it.
People have died because of people misinterpreting communism and distorting it.
Nice piece of revisionism. This is the same thing as saying Hitler and the Nazis were nice guys, just misunderstood. It's absurd.
Also, as PopsiclePete said, Capitolism is an evolution of Feudalism.
Rubbish. Feudalism ended when the countries united under the leadership of a king. Liberal revolutions either removed the king from power making a republic, or limited the king's power. That's on Europe, of course. In no way a evolution. The principles of economy already existed way before feudal Europe. Actually, the Mediterranean economy by the time of the roman republic and empire was way more developed.
Just as Socialism an evolution of capitolism, and communism an evolution of socialism.
This is a lie. Communism was a system elaborated by a group of individuals, it is not, in any way, a natural evolution. Several attempts were made to implementing it, resulting in the death of 100 million people.
They're all connected, and each follows a logical progression - slowly from economy being controlled by land owners, to people, to the government.
The name of this is totalitarian government - the State has absolute power. There cannot be a democratic communism because a nation in which the government has all the power is necessarily a totalitarian dictatorship.
Communism necessitate absolute power, or people will go on doing what they have always done, i.e., non-communist things. Of course you'll say that they are just "not evolved" because they want to trade.
The problem is this has never happened, and cannot until humans evolve past animalistic behaviors, if they ever do. In theory, that would be a Utopia, just the same as in theory, it would be the best situation.
Who are you, or Marx, to decide what's the best course of evolution for mankind? Besides, there's nothing more animalistic than communism, which is basically a hive-like society. No individuality, no freedom. Fucking ants. It would the great involution into darkness that mankind has ever suffered.
It’s amazing that every single victory won for freedom was about limitation of State power over the population, and communism is the ultimate totalitarian power. No king or emperor in the Middle Ages or the ancient world could even dream with the kind of power the ruling class has under a communist regime. It’s goes directly against all social evolution of society.
About the rest of the post. The power of England is limited, and has been so for many centuries. The government does not have absolute power. Individual rights are respected. That's the essence of a democracy.
Communism, necessarily, means that there's no individual rights, no freedom. There cannot be communism unless there's a totalitarian regime to impose it, for the simple fact that it contradicts the human nature. Communism is only possible if everyone thinks the same, and since that's impossible, it requires repression, thought police, and other methods to ensure obedience. Go read 1984.
Democracy requires individual rights, freedom, free speech, free enterprise. Sure, it’s a very imperfect system, and I could go on for hours describing the imperfections of the US. It’s far from perfect, but a liberal democracy that respects individual rights has never in history committed any atrocity against its own citizens like the terrible things done by totalitarians regimes this century. What does the genocidal crimes of the last have in common? They were all planned planed by the State. Sometimes against its own citizens, sometimes against people they want to subjugate or simple eliminate. People that have no defense under a totalitarian regime. That’s exactly the thing you’ll end up with Communism.
Of course, you can always go with the magical sophism that any and all bad things that happen caused by communists or a communist country is because they are not “evolved”, and it’s not really communism. Because communism is so perfect, nothing bad can ever come out of it. Even tough there’s not even the slightest evidence towards this way, and in face of a staggering amount of proof it’s amongst the cruelest social systems that were ever devised by men.