Capship takeover

While that does not apply to ships (though Dula 7 was already mentioned), they do seem to be rather fond of taking prisoners.
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You mean taking *apart* prisoners. :)

Maybe there's some kind of wierd thing between the Steltek and the Nephilim. Like a war that happened millenia ago and it just so happens that the Steltek won and the Nephilim lost. the Steltek moved away and the Nephilim got ejected away. Silly theory but hey ya never know.... ~~~
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I personally favor the idea that there's absolutely no connection between the Steltek and anyone else. Turning the suggestion that their society evolved on some great level into the idea that they're another evil super-race bent on destroying the universe is kind of dull.

The Steltek moved on up 2.4 billion years ago... and that's a really really really really really really long time. Shoehorning them into something that's happening 'now' makes for an awkward story (even the idea that the Nephilim were precursors who showed up a few thousand years ago is the immediate present compared to how long ago the Steltek went away.)
 
Bandit LOAF said:
You mean taking *apart* prisoners. :)
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You're right, I should have been more specific. :)

Well, the ICIS manual did go to some length explaining that the Nephilim are not the Steltek or that any information hinted at them.

But didn't some designers of lost WC projects plan to get the Steltek back in the games?
 
But didn't some designers of lost WC projects plan to get the Steltek back in the games?
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Steltek artifacts play a frequent role in cancelled scripts... but not so much the Steltek themselves. And in those cases they're just a means to an end - something so powerful that it can reshape the WC setting in desired ways (which is to say, bring back Kilrah and turn back on the war.)
 
I just realized I made an error - I was thinking of the Mantu. Weren't there plans to connect the Nephilim to the Mantu (or make the Mantu return and wage war against the Confederation) even though the ICIS manual also rather discouraged that train of thought?
 
No, I don't think anyone at Origin ever really thought about the Mantu. They were invented by Dr. Forstchen (as a result of a conversation with Origin about the future of the series) but were never considered for any games. Which is kind of a shame, because all Prophecy needed was a throwaway "they're also called the Mantu!" line in some tie-in publication and suddenly you have five years of built-in foreshadowing in the existing novels... but I'm not bitter...
 
Bandit LOAF said:
No, I don't think anyone at Origin ever really thought about the Mantu. They were invented by Dr. Forstchen (as a result of a conversation with Origin about the future of the series) but were never considered for any games. Which is kind of a shame, because all Prophecy needed was a throwaway "they're also called the Mantu!" line in some tie-in publication and suddenly you have five years of built-in foreshadowing in the existing novels... but I'm not bitter...
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Yeah, but at least they didn't leave us hanging either. We know for sure they aren't the Mantu :D
 
The Kilrathi seemed to think that the Nephilim were the ancient star gods from some dusty scrolls, not the race of creatures they fought to a draw a generation or two ago. It's more likely that if anything, the Nephilim were the more pressing issue that drew the attention of the Mantu away from the Kilrathi during their war.

Also, one of the novels describes the discovery of an ominous powerful military force detected by extreme long range Kilrathi probes, which was a concern to them, but was so far away that it did not present an immediate danger. That could have been the Nephilim, but if it were the Mantu, the Kats would have recognized them as a previous foe.
 
Also, one of the novels describes the discovery of an ominous powerful military force detected by extreme long range Kilrathi probes, which was a concern to them, but was so far away that it did not present an immediate danger. That could have been the Nephilim, but if it were the Mantu, the Kats would have recognized them as a previous foe.
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You bring up an important point. The book in question is Action Stations, which was published after Wing Commander Prophecy... and the reference in question wasn't to *Kilrathi* probes, but to a human one (Remote Deep Probe 6.)

I wll argue that the reference must be either to the Nephilim or to a completely undescribed third option -- since the Confederation would not identify the Mantu as a 'warlike empire.' It suggests to me, at the very least, that the book does 'locate' where in the galaxy the Nephilim come from (10,000 ly coreward.)
 
I'm not sure if the conversation I'm thinking of took place in Action Stations or one of the other Forstchen novels, but there's a scene where Thrakhath or Gilkarg or one of them was talking to the Emperor about how long range Kilrathi probes had found a threat that was extremely far away, but was moving in their direction and would some day be a danger. I seem to remember that they thought the Terran war would be good preparation for the real threat they would have to face at some point.
 
McGruff said:
I'm not sure if the conversation I'm thinking of took place in Action Stations or one of the other Forstchen novels, but there's a scene where Thrakhath or Gilkarg or one of them was talking to the Emperor about how long range Kilrathi probes had found a threat that was extremely far away, but was moving in their direction and would some day be a danger. I seem to remember that they thought the Terran war would be good preparation for the real threat they would have to face at some point.
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That's from the beginning of Fleet Action where the Hakagas are revealed to the Clan Nobles.
 
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