Cap-Ship Question

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BenoitBrunet2

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So I'm poking through the database here (beats studying for finals I'd say) and I'm looking at ship stats for Prophecy: Special Operations and I noticed that the Vesuvius is marginally larger, and carries 100+ more fighters than the Midway "Mega-Carrier." This might be completely legit, and feel free to lambast me at will, but is this correct? It seems like the Mega-Carrier would be larger and better equipped.
 
SuperCarrier Vesuvious: A SuperCarrier.Its ONLY purpose to carry ships of all kinds

MegaCarrier Midway:All purpose Carrier,ground assaults,escort,bombarbment etc.

Which of these do you think is more obvious to carry more Ships ? ;)

Midway is more complete than Vesuvious ,but Vesuvious is a pure Fighter Carrier not a multy purpose carrier.
 
so why was it that the st helens got splattered by the bugs in seconds, while the one-ship-battlefleet midway pushed their primary strikeforce back?

and no superiour shields etc, if i was owning a big bird like vesusius, she would have gotten shield+armor upgrades with the passing of time...
 
"Megacarrier" and "supercarrier" aren't actual designations - both are formally classified as Heavy Fleet Carriers. The Vesuvius is the heavier ship, more expensive... as the ICIS manual mentions, the Midway is a modern 'budget' alternative to fill multiple roles. Note that the flagship which welcomes the Midway fighters back to Sol in Secret Ops is a Vesuvius-class ship (the McKinley).

so why was it that the st helens got splattered by the bugs in seconds, while the one-ship-battlefleet midway pushed their primary strikeforce back?
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The Mt. St. Helens was ambushed and destroyed by the Nephilim... the Midway fought a protracted series of primarily fighter-based carrier actions. They're just not equivalent situations at all.
 
Four names were mentioned in games: Vesuvius, Mt. St. Helens, McKinley and Eisen. Captain Johnny named three more: Ranier, Furiyama and Kilauea. If these seven ships exist, it stands to reason that there's an eight (to account for two production groups of four each).
 
In keeping with the volcano names, prehaps the last was the TCS Etna?

Also, do the Vesuvius registries start at CV-1 or CV-70? I've seen the ship mentioned as CV-70 but in WC4, the Vesuvius had a hull number of 01 and the St. Helens was 02.
 
Yeah, they were to get numbers in the 70-series. Vesuvius was 70, MSH was 71.

My above post should read 'Fujiyama' instead of... whatever I wrote.
 
I wish that name would be changed. No one ever calls it "Fujiyama" in Japanese, it's Fuji-SAN.

And if they just wanted to go with an anglicized name they may as well have called it Mt. Fuji.
 
Gliderboy said:
Is the Midway a more modern redo of the Bengal Strike Carrier, in terms of the role it plays in the fleet?
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I wouldn't say so - the Bengal was meant to go into battlezone alone or at least with minimal support, and be both fast and have enough punch to pull off raids and quick attacks, though it wasn't meant for extended action behind enemy lines. The Midway's more akin to a floating starbase - it's got enough fighters to make it useful in a fleet action, but it also has the support facilities for other types of missions, and has enough ground support capability to make it useful in almost any role.
 
No, it's not - the Bengal was more heavily armed, as far as anti-capship weapons go, with the torp tubes and other 'classified' equipment. The Bengal also had a similar fighter complement to contemporary carriers, otherwise. The Midway's slower than any other carrier in the WC universe, and she's not nearly so well armed as the Bengal was for her size. The Bengal was also missing the large Marine complement, and she wasn't designed to function autonomously for any extended period - the Midway's almost self-supporting, including the science department and apparently enough equipment or munitions factories onboard to allow them to retrofit or create upgraded missiles... a facility that was lacking on any other carrier before it.

The Bengal you could at least send out by her lonesome without a destroyer escort, but the Midway NEEDS her escorts to deal with capship threats while her fighters are scrambling.
 
Gliderboy said:
A budget Bengal?
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No, a budget Bengal would be a cruiser that had a fighter complement - and no, I don't mean the Hades-class; those are special ships for Special Ops, but they're probably the only ones I can think of which fit the role, at least in the WCP-era.

Being honest? The Bengal class of ships was a failure, so far as designs went; in that case, the fighters you'd lose when the ship went down (armor it so much before it lost any ability to run or fight with carriers or its own weapons) weren't worth the investment. Cruisers with fighters, while still an expensive proposition, are a bit less expensive than losing a whole carrier is, IMO. Yes, the cruiser won't have the same number of fighters that a dedicated carrier would... but it'd retain the ship-fighting capabilities and speed, and you'd probably be able to build as many of them as you would have the 'strike carriers' like the Bengal, but it'd be a lot less costly in terms of time and money.

Dedicated carriers with a decent destroyer and cruiser escort, on the other hand, are probably a better deal, especially if the carrier's fast enough to keep up with the cruisers.
 
I always wondered why the navies didn't always room in battle groups. Carriers of any kind are exspensive if not in monetery terms than in the cost of lives. It takes alot to keep a wing of fighters up. Think of our real life carriers today, 5,000 people to keep those jets and planes in the air. No matter how big you ship is, you still have a finate number of foodstuffs and armaments on board the ship, so why not go in groups and take a supply ship with you, He holds alot of supplies and very few people.
Carriers today are the fastest ships (not boats don't get them confused) in our navy (USA) and I'm not just saying that because my dad builds them for a living. On the USS Guston Hall (assult ship, not the 'baby carrier' like the Kersarge either) they have a picture of when a fast firgate radioed the Capn of the carrier (big E or Nimitz I don't remember now) and he told the capn he'd seem him in the med. The carrier captin didn't like that and the Flag officer agreed, and they all went flank speed to gabrator. Any way the carrier is about half a mile ahead of every one else and they all have big ole wakes behind them.
Maybe that was the USS Monterey (spelling), which is a curiser that I had the pleasure of riding on from the weapons station down to Norfolk (I was in ROTC). They had an unclassfied top speed of 31 knots, the USS Truman has an unclassifed top speed of 33 knots and can get there faster than the crusier. Basically what I'm getting at is shear size can give you a more impressive power plant for faster speeds.
 
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