Call me deaf dumb and stupid...

Has Jason asked enough questions yet?

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Jason_Ryock

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Okay...in End Run the Tarawa gets rammed by a Stealth fighter, and it's bridge crew gets hit and dies...and so does the captain.

Maybe I'm just skipping over some incredibly obvious fact...but I've seen numerous threads/texts/sites that clearly state that ships are NOT fought from the Bridge, but from the CIC. In fact, in End Run Jason states he is speaking to the Combat Information Officer.

So, first, does the Tarawa have a CIC? Second, why was the Captain not IN the CIC if the ship was being fought? Third, why wasn't an auxilary bridge then established in the CIC and instead placed in the Landing Control Office?

Also, the Ranger-class carrier (and the Tarawa-types) have a clear Landing Control Office for managing the fighters on the flight deck. These rooms have glass panels for looking out over the deck (this is affirmed by WC3 and End Run).

Would the Hades-class Quick Strike Cruisers have anyhting similar? And would the Midway have two or three or four to oversee manuvering inside of the ship?

Obviously, there must be some way of shuffling fighters around and working on them onboard the Hades-class...is this simply an enclosed hanger, or is it the tiny room you fly into at the end of your missions? And the Midway, does it have huge internal hangers?
 
It has been over 9 months since I have read the book so the pacifics are a bit stetchy, but I seem to remember that it was a torpedo that hit the bridge or maybe even some sort of fighter-that wasn't stealth.
 
Maybe I'm just skipping over some incredibly obvious fact...but I've seen numerous threads/texts/sites that clearly state that ships are NOT fought from the Bridge, but from the CIC. In fact, in End Run Jason states he is speaking to the Combat Information Officer.

So, first, does the Tarawa have a CIC? Second, why was the Captain not IN the CIC if the ship was being fought? Third, why wasn't an auxilary bridge then established in the CIC and instead placed in the Landing Control Office?
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Bear comments that they have to establish "a new bridge and combat information center" -- so, presumably, the CIC was destroyed (the book later points out that because the Tarawa was designed as a transport, it had no secondary bridge... the CIC was probably a makeshift deal in the first place, rather than buried in the center of the ship as it is on the Concordia).

Also, the Ranger-class carrier (and the Tarawa-types) have a clear Landing Control Office for managing the fighters on the flight deck. These rooms have glass panels for looking out over the deck (this is affirmed by WC3 and End Run).

Would the Hades-class Quick Strike Cruisers have anyhting similar? And would the Midway have two or three or four to oversee manuvering inside of the ship?

Obviously, there must be some way of shuffling fighters around and working on them onboard the Hades-class...is this simply an enclosed hanger, or is it the tiny room you fly into at the end of your missions? And the Midway, does it have huge internal hangers?
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I'm sure they have a Landing Control Office *somewhere* -- we just don't see it. :) Midway would probably have two -- one for each rear landing bay (or maybe one office between the two -- who knows? I doubt it's *more* than two :)).

The Hades-class must have fighter bays inside the 'main' body of the ship -- afterall, they've got to hide thirty-some fighters *somewhere*. Presumably, they work on damaged craft here too.

(the Midway does have huge internal hangars... physically impossible-sized internal ones -- watch the takeoff sequence and compare the amount of space inside to the amount of space outside :))

It has been over 9 months since I have read the book so the pacifics are a bit stetchy, but I seem to remember that it was a torpedo that hit the bridge or maybe even some sort of fighter-that wasn't stealth.
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Nope, the original poster is right -- it was a kamikaze stealth fighter.
 
So would the Landing Control Offices (Which aren't actually offices but are actually open control centers for handling the flight operations) be placed somewhere on the Hades-class and Midway-class where they could oversee the moving of fighters around the inside of the ship like they were on the Tarawa?
 
If I'm not mistaken, I think the CIC was just off of the bridge (It doubled as the Captains wardroom). The little cramped room that the yellow captain took Bear into to have words with after he refused to totally destroy the incoming fighter wing (where the destroyer captain came in to saved him). If this is true, you couldn't get to the CIC if the bridge was exposed to space (bad design, but it was a converted transport).

C-ya
 
there is also a third option as to why the captain was on the bridge instead of the CIC....he was stupid and didn't know better. i'd go with that one :)
 
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So what your telling me is that the Confederation was stupid enough to build a ship that was set up so that the CIC and the Bridge could both be taken out by a single stealth fighter ramming it?
 
Jason_Ryock said:
So what your telling me is that the Confederation was stupid enough to build a ship that was set up so that the CIC and the Bridge could both be taken out by a single stealth fighter ramming it?
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The Tarawa wasn't exactly a shpt that was planned that way it was used. It was a Transport to start with. A last resource.
 
Right. And as a last resource, the CIC was put close enough to the bridge that single hit took them both out...somehow I fail to comprehend how the Confederation could make that kind of mistake, even using a last resource like the Tarawa.
 
I don't think they had an option -- the Tarawa was a converted transport. Since a transport probably doesn't have a CIC, they presumably had to stick it wherever they could.
 
Also, the Tarawa probably wasn't expected to last this long in a fight. The CVE was expendable, something to hold its own in a skirmish but only designed to get its licks in in a major engagement and die. In End Run it was just supposed to be a distration, they weren't supposed to be coming back from their raid on Kilrah. I don't think they put much thought into the survivability of the CVE's of Tarawa's type, much less what to do if the bridge was taken out.

C-ya
 
...which is clear due to its lack of auxilary bridge, but still...it just makes sense to bury the CIC as far inside the ship as possible...maybe I'm just deaf dumb and stupid though, and somehow the Confed is smart for putting the Bridge next to the CIC. Oh well.

On another note, the Tarawa we've concluded, was equipped with those funky Launch tunnels we see in Prophecy/SO, or did it have some other kind of catapult? Or do we know?

And, the interior space on the Hades-class, is that like, just an enclosed hanger or something else?
 
Eh...like we see on Nimtz-class carriers in the US Fleet, kind of catapults? Or tractor beam catapults like we see in WC3 or 4 (not sure which, but I remember being able to auto-fly off of the carrier deck)? Or launch tube like catapults?
 
HEY! TC voted twice! At this point the votes are 8-yes and 7-no.

ChrisReid, Frosty, Ghost, Mav23, psych, Starkey, TC, Viper61

Aries, Bandit LOAF, Delance, Iceblade, Jason_Ryock, Quarto, TC
 
Yeah, and? That's what happens when you make a check box poll rather than a radio button one... TC votes for all the options, every time.
 
Jason_Ryock said:
Eh...like we see on Nimtz-class carriers in the US Fleet, kind of catapults? Or tractor beam catapults like we see in WC3 or 4 (not sure which, but I remember being able to auto-fly off of the carrier deck)? Or launch tube like catapults?
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well, it's not launch tubes, but other than that, i don't remember anything about the catapults
 
Aries said:
well, it's not launch tubes, but other than that, i don't remember anything about the catapults
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In End Run, you can't have a fighter launch scene without them metioning something about thier catapult system. I'm guessing it had to be something "staic" (ie mechanical) as they had to move into an exact position for it to take place.

C-ya
 
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