Battle of Vukar Tag
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Tarawa was the ESCORT Carrier that distracted the Kilrathi away from the Fleet at Vukar Tag. Been a while since I've read it.. but the Concordia and Gettysburg were the biggest ships there I think.
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
Concordia (CVS-65, Confederation-class), Trafalger (Attack Carrier), Wolfhound (Bengal-class) and the Gettysburg (Waterloo-class) are what the book considers the four 'carriers' at Vukar Tag. (And of course the Sevastopol, an escort carrier).
Any idea of what class of ship an attack-carrier could be? Any idea on it's specs or mission?
I'm planning on writing a story which takes place from THE OTHER side of the Vukar Tag battle (not on the Tarawa's side, but from the side of the 4-carriers)...
Also, I need some more information...
1.) There are 4 Confed Carriers at Vukar Tag... How many Kilrathi Carriers are present...
2.) Did Tolwyn leave in the middle of the battle, or before the battle even began?
-Concordia
Well actually there were only 3 ConFed carriers at Vukar, the Gettysburg is a cruiser (only carries around 2 squadrons), the book incorrectly implys it is a carrier.
I just skimed the book so I may have missed something but 10 Cat carriers start on the way to Vukar, but Thrak takes 3 of them to hunt the Tarawa, leaveing 7 actually at the battle of Vukar.
The book doesnt go into alot of detail on the exact course of the battle, concentrates on Tarawa, so i dont think we know exactly when Tolwyn took Concordia out to rescue the Tarawa, but id imagine it wasnt untill after the Battle of Vukar was over and the ConFed fleet on its way back to friendly space, he wasnt the kind of officer to abandon the fleet if it were still in any possable danger.
I just skimed the book so I may have missed something but 10 Cat carriers start on the way to Vukar, but Thrak takes 3 of them to hunt the Tarawa, leaveing 7 actually at the battle of Vukar.
The book doesnt go into alot of detail on the exact course of the battle, concentrates on Tarawa, so i dont think we know exactly when Tolwyn took Concordia out to rescue the Tarawa, but id imagine it wasnt untill after the Battle of Vukar was over and the ConFed fleet on its way back to friendly space, he wasnt the kind of officer to abandon the fleet if it were still in any possable danger.
Aries
Vice Admiral
okay, just looked at END RUN, cats sent 7 carriers to vukar, 5 were destroyed, 2 crippled, at least 4 imperial legions destroyed, 20 other ships, and 12 or more transports and support ships destroyed (40,000 cats died, including Rusmak and Gar, the Kalralahrs of the fleets and imperial legions respectively, according to baron jukaga), in exchange for the trafalgar destroyed, gettysburg seriously damaged, 7 escorts destroyed, and 96 pilots killed. tolwyn left to bring out the tarawa after the main battle was over, but before the mop up was finished
Okay, so rather than list the Gettysburg, I'll list the carriers as follows
Concordia, Trafalgar, Wolfhound, and the Sevastopol (she is a carrier)
I know I'm going against canon, but the Sevastopol *IS* a carrier. The Waterloo is not.
The Gettysburgh shown is the Waterloo-class Gettysburg from "The Gettysburg Incident", not the Gettysburg-Class TCS-Austin from WC1 SO2(?)
20 other ships, and 12 or more transports and support ships... how many are Confed, how many Kilrathi... or are all these Kilrathi?
-Concordia
Concordia, Trafalgar, Wolfhound, and the Sevastopol (she is a carrier)
I know I'm going against canon, but the Sevastopol *IS* a carrier. The Waterloo is not.
The Gettysburgh shown is the Waterloo-class Gettysburg from "The Gettysburg Incident", not the Gettysburg-Class TCS-Austin from WC1 SO2(?)
20 other ships, and 12 or more transports and support ships... how many are Confed, how many Kilrathi... or are all these Kilrathi?
-Concordia
pygmypiranha
Vice Admiral
The Trafalgar was actually classified as a CVA. This ship I believe was a carrier that was geared more toward the landings on planets.
I'd prefer not to count Cruisers as Carriers.
I think that was just an error on Forstchen's part. After all, they DO look like carriers with their twin-launch decks.
If I can't count the Sevastopol as a Fleet-Carrier, I'll just use another carrier...
What other carriers were around in 2667?
Were there only 4 fleet carriers PERIOD? Or were there only 4 fleet carriers within RANGE?
-Concordia
I think that was just an error on Forstchen's part. After all, they DO look like carriers with their twin-launch decks.
If I can't count the Sevastopol as a Fleet-Carrier, I'll just use another carrier...
What other carriers were around in 2667?
Were there only 4 fleet carriers PERIOD? Or were there only 4 fleet carriers within RANGE?
-Concordia
Aries
Vice Admiral
my advice, go with what Forstchen said and count the Gettysburg as a fleet carrier, even though we all know it was a cruiser. kinda funny how escort carriers carried more fighters than the waterloos, but some waterloos get counted as fleet carriers
there were a total of 8 fleet carriers in the whole confed fleet in 2667, but i don't know their names. LOAF?
Ya know, repeating a mistake, doesnt make it any less wrong...
If it were me id just throw out the 4 carrier thing and leave it at 3, to even it up tho, i'd add a few more escort carriers, just because only one was mentioned by name doesnt necessarily mean there werent a couple more...
t.c.cgi
Vice Admiral
Keep in mind these carriers weren't alone, like we are used to in WC1/2/3/4. They had a support fleet of various destroyers and cruisers. Many of the "big show" battles in the novels (going from recollection) had large quantities of lesser ships, not including carriers. So rather than pad a given number (3 fleet carriers, 1 Waterloo class, and an escort carrier), pad everything else. I don't remember if they were listed or not, only the casualties.
And remember, in WC even destroyers have fighters!
And remember, in WC even destroyers have fighters!
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
The Waterloo's are special -- they're even treated as such in WC2 (where joining with the Agincourt's battlegroup was necessary to attack K'tithrak Mang, and when saving the Gettysburg was all-important). It's probably because they're so heavily armed.
Originally posted by t.c.cgi
Keep in mind these carriers weren't alone, like we are used to in WC1/2/3/4. They had a support fleet of various destroyers and cruisers. Many of the "big show" battles in the novels (going from recollection) had large quantities of lesser ships, not including carriers. So rather than pad a given number (3 fleet carriers, 1 Waterloo class, and an escort carrier), pad everything else. I don't remember if they were listed or not, only the casualties.
And remember, in WC even destroyers have fighters!
Yes. With five carriers there should be something like eight lesser cruisers and twelve to twenty destroyers, plus at least a dozen corvettes. Figure that each destroyer/cruiser carries a half squardon if it does not have a hangar like the Waterloos have.
Actually the Waterloo's aren't really. They are sort of like the Plunkett's in SO. They have two destroyer escorts (right?), and carry fighters.
The Waterloo's aren't as armed in terms of weapons, but are so in terms of fighters and bombers.
Do Waterloo's carry Broadswords?
-Concordia