Paddybhoy said:So Loaf thinks that Wing Commander 4 isn't a sophisticated story and that it doesn't deserve the level of analysis that some are giving it (which to be fair is a reasonable assessment), but he still thinks its stupid that the Black Lance would kill 90% of the population? uhm that doesn't really make sense!
LeHah said:Don't sass your elders boy, or they'll beat you with the switch!
Bandit LOAF said:Except that that's that's *not the issue*. We're trying to figure out what his immediate plans were -- no one is claiming he wasn't trying to do specifically what he claimed in his speech; the issue is whether or not he was some kind of madman with a plan that made no sense (but was somehow supported by a huge organization) or whether or not it was something more nuanced that would have progressed over time.
Edfilho said:But to be sincere, when someone considers eugenics as an acceptable tool to "enhance" humanity, well, this someone is already far and gone form our sense of logic and moral.
Wow, even in the context of this thread, that's an incredibly stupid comparison to make. There's a very, very significant difference between not wanting to talk to someone and not wanting someone to live. The former simply means exercising your freedom, while the latter means abusing someone else's freedom.vindicator said:I disagree, to say it's so far out of the moral range is not to consider your own humanity. Have you ever said to yourself, "These are my parameters for selecting a certain type of people to be friends with, and had certain requirements that had to be met Physically or mentaly?
Quarto said:Wow, even in the context of this thread, that's an incredibly stupid comparison to make. There's a very, very significant difference between not wanting to talk to someone and not wanting someone to live. The former simply means exercising your freedom, while the latter means abusing someone else's freedom.
This thread is a discussion of how awesome Wing Commander III is, as well as various comments about Hitler, Darwinistic principles, and Quakers to name a few.. you know, just your standard WC thread.Dahan said:Refresh me folks on what is the issue that we are aruging about?? I think that I have lost track on the argument and counter arguments that has been occurring
Recently been playing Wing Commander III again, and realized that maybe it's just really the greatest game ever. Defending humanity at the end of an epic everlasting conflict and losing hope with losing the Behemoth and Locanda(optionally). The evil Prince Thrakhath, the betrayal of Hobbes, death of Angel, punching Paladin, what a wonderful game this is.
Nope I dont think that Tolwyn was a space nazi, I would Geoff to Winston Churchill. Towlyn was officer bred for combat, duty and honor. His ambition was to battle the Kilrathi and win the war against them. He was not prepared for the possibility that humanity might win. Because of the "fluke shot" Towlyn was left with nothing to do and so he had to make some excuse to continue with some personal agenda to make Confed a military government of sorts."Is it some blaitant social commentary, Was tolwyn a space nazi
That is the most ridiculous theory/assumption I have ever hearddid angel's curly hair symbolize chris roberts's preference for women with curly hair
I don't think he is evil? But then we have to define what is evil.How evil is tolwyn?
Dahan said:That is the most ridiculous theory/assumption I have ever heard
Yeah, and I said that that's an incredibly stupid point to make, because it's not in the least bit true. It's the kind of argument that various generic "affirmative action" activists make - "oh, you don't like <insert 'repressed' minority here>, eh? Well, next thing you know, you'll be saying they should all be shot!"vindicator said:I'm not arguing legal rights or context, I simply said the leap isn't as far as people like to think it is because it makes them more comfortable.