Wing Commander 4

Col.Dom said:
From what I know, the novel went for the "happy" ending.

Anyway, *SPOILER ALERT* in the "general" ending, the ayes have it, war is averted
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if the "ayes have it" then war is declared and you die, just to let you know


also, as someone said, you are in a confed uniform even if you eject and get captured as a UBW pilot.
 
Of course Blair is. In order to be court-martialed for treason, he has to wear confed uniform. If he is considered to be a BW soldier, he's a POW. They can’t judge a BW pilot for flying for the UBW, but they can judge a confed pilot for doing so.
 
Col.Dom said:
From what I know, the novel went for the "happy" ending.
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Forstchen was tired of being jerked around with some of EA's demands to be met on the WC books, so he seemed to tag on an end with those charaters, which is something he didn't do in any other novel.
 
But since Blair defected, he should no longer be a part of confed, yet he gets court martialled for treason. Is he not a prisoner of war, since it's not like he stayed on in confed and caused sabotage from whithin....Should he not be considered a Border World pilot?
 
I'm pretty sure Ben Ohlander did the actual writing on the WC4 novel... Forstchen just converted the script to an outline.

But since Blair defected, he should no longer be a part of confed, yet he gets court martialled for treason. Is he not a prisoner of war, since it's not like he stayed on in confed and caused sabotage from whithin....Should he not be considered a Border World pilot?
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I think it's preferrable to try a treasonous military officer as a member of the military... since you can have a military tribunal and all. Jazz was wearing his Confed uniform when he was tried, too (plus, until the verdict is in, you're technically not guilty of anything...).
 
samgrave said:
But since Blair defected, he should no longer be a part of confed, yet he gets court martialled for treason. Is he not a prisoner of war, since it's not like he stayed on in confed and caused sabotage from whithin....Should he not be considered a Border World pilot?
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You got it all confused. If he decided to sabotage confed from whithin he could not be consider a POW. Now, if they considered him a BW Pilot, then he WOULD be a POW. But in order to court-martial Blair, they have to consider him a Confed pilot.

Confed did only accept Blair's defection when he proved he had reasons to do so. It's not an easy thing, everything considered. Otherwise it's something that he would've been punished for, even if he didn't do things like attack and destroy confed figthers and capital ships.
 
Then how come Melek wasn't tried as a POW? He was an enemy combatant, no? It certainly looked like he was enjoying his freedom in WC4.
 
Because they chose not to. Just because You CAN indict someone doesn't mean You have to.

As for the POW/traitor thing, we see even today the US, in Gitmo Bay, not defining the prisoners there as POWs, since it puts limitations on the legal rpcessing which they do not want. It's within Confed's right not to define Blair as a POW if they don't want to.
 
Then the question remains, what happened to all the other Black Lance fighters?Were they court martialled too? As I recall it, one of the witnesses testifying against Tolwyn in the end was wearing a Black Lance uniform.
 
They most probably weren't, seeing that they were products of the GE program and were only following orders (and they weren't doing anything serious enough to merit their own trials). I believe the end of the novel states that ConFed went after the top leaders of the Black Lance Project, and I can't remember the name of the woman who killed herself to avoid trial.
 
The Black Lance was, in fact, very much part of Confed. “Just following orders" isn't a very good line of defense. Officers of the Renegade faction of Confed (of which the Black Lance was part of) committed a lot of crimes and were probably judged for it.

The guy in a Black Lance uniform was a good witnesses because he was a part of the Black Lance. Perhaps he cut himself a deal. Maybe he didn’t commit any crimes himself, but knew what was going on. Or he just decided he couldn’t go on and wanted to turn himself to justice, and try to make things right by telling the truth.
 
Considering who was running that operation, you'd have to assume that there'd be failsafes and back-up plans in case the Black Lance was destroyed.
 
Delance said:
The guy in a Black Lance uniform was a good witnesses because he was a part of the Black Lance. Perhaps he . . . Maybe he . . . Or he . . .
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Or maybe someone hadn't filled their cameo quota yet :)

C-ya
 
Black Lance is the plan within the plan and since Tolwyn made such a huge deal out of Belarius during FC one would have to assume that they did have some kind of failsafe, although it is hard to tell from what exactly happened to this group after the fall of the Black Lance and even before when Tolwyn was put in charge of the SRA.
 
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