Wing Commander 2 Timeline Thread

Bandit LOAF

Bandit LOAF

Long Live the Confederation!
Mmmkay, at Hades insistence I'm going over my skeleton with a fine toothed comb. I figured any smart CZ-ers who are interested in timelines and such might want to help me figure out how everything works. First up for debate is Wing Commander 2.

These are my notes on when the missions occur in relation to eachother and why (will probably be squashed when I post)

Gwynedd 1 2665.112 Stated, in-game.
Gwynedd 2
Gwynedd 3 Gwynedd 2+1 In-Game quote: "Yesterday, Maverick and Shadow, of Caernarvon, helped defend the Concordia."
Gwynedd 4
Niven 1 Gwynedd 4 In-Game quote: "The Concordia arrived in Niven System half an hour ago."
Niven 2 Gwynedd 2+3 Official Guide: "Just a few days ago I'd been sitting behind a desk on a space station." (185)
Niven 3 Niven 2 In-Game title card: "Two Hours Later".
Niven 4 Niven 2+1 Official Guide: "I finally heard the full story the following day." (187)
Ghorah Khar 1
Ghorah Khar 2
Ghorah Khar 3 Ghorah Khar 2+1 In-Game quote: "Maverick, Paladin is on the O-Deck. He wishes to speak with you."
Ghorah Khar 4 Ghorah Khar 2+1 Official Guide: "We hadn't been on the space station for an hour when the launch klaxon sounded." (191)
Novaya Kiev 1 Ghorah Khar 2+1 In-Game quote: "By the way, Paladin’s looking for you. I think he’s in the barracks."
Novaya Kiev 2 Ghorah Khar 2+2 In-Game title card: "Eighteen Hours Later".
Novaya Kiev 3
Novaya Kiev 4 Novaya Kiev 3+1 In-Game quote: "Admiral Tolwyn spoke to me about your mission against the Fralthra yesterday–-"
Heaven's Gate 1
Heaven's Gate 2
Heaven's Gate 3 Haven's Gate 2+1 In-Game quote: "Listen, Jazz, thanks for the assist out there yesterday."
Heaven's Gate 4 2666.356 Stated, Kilrathi Saga calendar.
Tesla 1 2667.005 In-Game title card: "Two Weeks Later".
Tesla 2
Tesla 3
Tesla 4
Enigma 1
Enigma 2
Enigma 3
K'tithrak Mang 1
K'tithrak Mang 2 2667.063 Stated, Kilrathi Saga calendar.
K'tithrak Mang 3 2667.069 Stated, Kilrathi Saga calendar.
K'tithrak Mang 4 2667.077 Stated, Kilrathi Saga calendar.

Known Issues:
Page 160 of the Kilrathi Saga manual is a press release dated 2667.144 which claims that K'tithrak Mang 2 (Strakha confirmation) was "a week ago" (~2667.137).

Then, these are the dates according to the WC Bible. Clearly, this is where the Kilrathi Saga calender got its four references... but the rest isn't *technically* canon. Should I use this information to fill in where it still fits? Or what?

Gwynedd 1 2666.195
Gwynedd 2 2666.199
Gwynedd 3 2666.202
Gwynedd 4 2666.202
Niven 1 2666.217
Niven 2 2666.228
Niven 3 2666.245
Niven 4 2666.246
Ghorah Khar 1 2666.263
Ghorah Khar 2 2666.269
Ghorah Khar 3 2666.278
Ghorah Khar 4 2666.284
Novaya Kiev 1 2666.305
Novaya Kiev 2 2666.323
Novaya Kiev 3 2666.330
Novaya Kiev 4 {No Date}
Heaven's Gate 1 2666.343
Heaven's Gate 2 2666.348
Heaven's Gate 3 2666.350
Heaven's Gate 4 2666.356
Tesla 1 2667.011
Tesla 2 2667.016
Tesla 3 2667.018
Tesla 4 2667.027
Enigma 1 2667.041
Enigma 2 2667.045
Enigma 3 2667.054
K'tithrak Mang 1 2667.060
K'tithrak Mang 2 2667.063
K'tithrak Mang 3 2667.069
K'tithrak Mang 4 2667.077
 
No time right now for a full response, but...

Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
Page 160 of the Kilrathi Saga manual is a press release dated 2667.144 which claims that K'tithrak Mang 2 (Strakha confirmation) was "a week ago" (~2667.137).
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One explanation would be that Confed held back on this press release for some reason. Maybe they were hoping that, being aware of the Strakha's existence, they would be able to destroy a few more before the Kilrathi realised that the Strakha are now general knowledge.

Mind you, it doesn't really make sense that they would hold back for over two months, and then claim that the sighting happened last week (since, if we go by the bible dates you posted for K'tithrak Mang, Jazz' trial would probably have already taken place by the time this release made the press). However, notice that the Strakha photo in the release is the Strakha Mk. II from WC3 rather than the original WC2 Strakha - so, this photo must have been made some time after K'tithrak Mang.
 
I've gone through the Special Ops disks. There's no data on when they take place in any other canon source, save that they have to end a certain period of time before End Run.


Pembroke 1 2667.091 In-Game title card: "Two Weeks Later".
Pembroke 2 2667.092 In-Game quote: "As you know, nearly all the patrols encountered enemy squadrons yesterday."
Pembroke 3 2667.092 In-Game quote: "Five credits says we’re not finished flying for the day, Colonel."
Pembroke 4
Rigel 1
Rigel 2
Rigel 3
Rigel 4 Rigel 3 Attack on the depot launched immediately to save convoy.
Ghorah Khar 1 Rigel 3 In-Game quotes: "You’re off-duty for the next twenty-four hours", then "we had to move up the schedule a wee bit… can you be ready to leave in half an hour?"
Ghorah Khar 2
Ghorah Khar 3
Ghorah Khar 4
Ghorah Khar 5
Ghorah Khar 6 Ghorah Khar 5 In-Game quote: "They’ll refuel and refit you for your next mission, then you’ll launch again."
Ghorah Khar 7 Ghorah Khar 5 In-Game title card: "Five Minutes Later".
Ghorah Khar 8 Ghorah Khar 5+1 In-Game quote: "Three of those five Kilrathi carrier groups attacked yesterday..."
Canewdon 1 2667.098 In-Game quote (SO1): "That was a hot mission this morning ... HQ is court-martialling Jazz next week."
Canewdon 2 2667.099 In-Game title card: "0500 Hours"
Canewdon 3 2667.099 {Logic?}
Canewdon 4 2667.099 In-Game title card: "2130 Hours"
Canewdon 5 2667.100 In-Game quote: "I want you to remember why you are serving aboard Concordia before you fly your patrol today."
Canewdon 6 2667.100
Canewdon 7 2667.101 In-Game quote (losing): "For days, there has been a minimal enemy presence in this area..."
Canewdon 8 2667.101 In-Game title card: "Ten Minutes Later".
Canewdon 9 2667.101
Canewdon 10 2667.102 In-Game quote: "Today the Kilrathi will learn to fear the name of the Wild Eagles, sir."
Canewdon 11 2667.102 In-Game title card: "Twenty Minutes Later".
Canewdon 12 2667.102 Maniac & Blair leave with Paladin immediately after Canewdon 11.
Ayers 1 2667.102 Immediately follows jump to Ayers. Ends with beginning of retreat.
Ayers 2 2667.102 Retreat continuing.
Ayers 3 2667.102 Retreat continuing (two hours left).
Ayers 4 2667.102 Minx calls immediately after attack on Ayers Rock.
 
Am.....shouldnt we stuck this Thread ,so we can study the Timelines and then post before the thread go "down" ?

just a suggestion.....
 
TCSTigersClaw said:
Am.....shouldnt we stuck this Thread ,so we can study the Timelines and then post before the thread go "down" ?

just a suggestion.....
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Ehh, if anyone's really interested I'll be happy to do that -- hasn't been much response thus far. :)
 
Sorry Bandit_Loaf.

If you need any help with timelines during Endrun and Wc3 and forward, then post a thread.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
Ehh, if anyone's really interested I'll be happy to do that -- hasn't been much response thus far. :)
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Maybe other guys just think like I do.Im making calculations and studies on the Timelines and then Ill post here....I dont want to post stupid things....about Importand Issues like the Timeline
 
Allright, update for the WC4 timeline.

http://www.hamtwoslices.net/loaf/wc4-mixed.doc

This is an update of the WC4 Novel timeline draft I did earlier in the week. It now incorporates the first half (or so) of the WC4 game cutscenes.

Cutscenes are referenced by their filenames on the WCIV DVD (with the exception of the missing Bearcat scene... which will be noted somehow when I come to it). Novel segments are referenced by... well, page numbers, of course.

Mission descriptions aren't done yet -- but the places where the missions 'go' are marked with huge orange letters. You can't miss them! Everything through Pasqual 2 should be an exact placement... everything afterwards is pretty close.

Descriptions aren't final -- I'll 'smooth' (revise/rewrite) most of them once all parts are properly integrated. Ignore any notes I've written to myself. :)
 
wc4mixed.doc is updated to include the second half of WCIV! I'll do mission writeups and begin rewriting segments on Monday. Yay!
 
Great job, LOAF! I think the lack of replies in this thread has to do with the fact that there are very few people out there who know WC stuff that you don´t... I´ll read the whole thing again and see if I can contribute with something.
 
Heyo,
Thanks for the kind words.

Just uploaded another one, with a bunch of mission descriptions added and some rank issues cleared up... mostly just so I could have something to work on over the long weekend at home (G)
 
Starkey said:
Great job, LOAF! I think the lack of replies in this thread has to do with the fact that there are very few people out there who know WC stuff that you don´t... I´ll read the whole thing again and see if I can contribute with something.
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Not preciseley, i discused with LOAF many things about this timeline in #wingnut, not here.
 
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