who is the worst comm officer ?????

You never know... Disco might come back, and then they'll hang pieces of the weapon in the Recroom :).
 
Maybe they can modify it so the fancy lights apear when it shoots. Thats would be a hit in a disco.
 
That would be cool, but I am sure that the techs will find some way to get it to work,and if not then maybe somebody will find a way to get the Phase Transit Cannon back operational without the *harmful sideeffects* or maybe make it with a surgeon Generals warrning
 
Well, I'm afraid the PTC wouldn't be much use by 2681. It causes 120 cm worth of damage... so, it would take roughly 50% of a Piranha's armour :).
 
well...lasers and other weapons have been upgraded in their penetration over the years, so if they brought it back I am sure that It would also be able to be upgraded to modern standards
 
That's right. The laser in WC1 is useles againt a light fighter, but the laser in WCP is much better. So the PTC could be updated, but it to take out a fleet would impossible i think.
 
The laser in WC1 would be useless in WCP, but the power of the weapon was upgraded. And I never said that the PTC would take out an entire fleet, I meant to say that it could be upgraded to do its original job again, IE take out a ship with a single shot, and be able to be used more than once.
 
Of course WC1 weapons would be useless in Prophecy. That's stating the obvious. It's like saying that WWI weapons would be useless in WWII (which they were to a very large degree)

The ability to increase the power of a weapon depends entirely on the technology behind the weapon.

TC

[Edited by TC on 02-09-2001 at 21:07]
 
Not really, the germans used the same mauser model 1898, the US used the model 1903 springfield in the begging of the war, The British used the Lewis Gun, the us used the BAR, Model 1917 Browning heavy machine gun, Model 1911 Colt 45 pistol, Numeros artillery pieces from the First World war were used in WWII, the Type 7 torpedo was used by torpedo boats, the British used 50 US WWI destroyers as convoy escort, the Germans also used the Luger pistol developed in the early 1900's, ect. ect. ad nauseum. I believe my point has been made
 
You didn't make any point. Guns (of the standard infantry variety) had little impact on WWII when compared to air strikes, armoured vehicles, and the like. Compare a WWI Tank (if you can even call it that) to a WWII Tank. Also, by the end of the war, the guns you mentioned were quite outclassed by newer models.

TC
 
Urm yeah actually he did make a point. This was centered around the "wc1 laser" which would be comparable to guns. the "wc1 hornet" would be more comparable to a tank.
 
And TC, the BAR, Colt 45 model 1911, Browning 30 and 50 calibur heavy machine gun, Lewis Gun, and Model 1903 (still used as a sniper rifle) were used for many years AFTER WWII and it is the guns and Machine guns that caused ovewr 60% of the military casulties of the war not air planes and not tanks. So the guns were important and are comparable to the WC1 laser in WCP time. Hell the 1911 Colt 45 was designed by John Browning in the 1880's and was used by the us military until the late 70's early 80's and are still used by cops around the world. The Browning 50 Cal machine gun is being used by the USMC today, the 1898 Mauser is still a popular hunting weapon and the bolt action piece to it is being used by the Mauser corp in its new Sniper Weapons. So over 100 year old weapons are still used regularly today so I fail to see your point
 
very true that machine guns caused most casualties. they are mounted on all planes, tanks and issued to some infantry. but think about it, how many tanks do you think there actually were? compare that to the number of infantry there were. but how many people got close enough to a tank to be killed by its machine gun? therefore most casualties were from machine gun.

anyway 20 million russian civilians were killed on the russian steppes. you cant tell me they were mostly tank/aircraft kills

man, 20 million... thats got to make you stop and think...
 
Archanist, If you read what I have said you will see that I more than agree with you. Most deaths/kills that are attributed to hostile action rather than disease were caused by the plain old bullet comming from some sort of rifle/machinegun/sub-machine gun either mounted on one of the many THOUSANDS of tanks or being used by infantry groups. For every 7 americans there was one man with either a browning heavy 30 or 50 cal or a BAR operator. The Germans used their machine guns more than we did because their standard infantry weapon was a bolt-action while ours was a semi-auto thus increasing our GI's potential firepower.

One of my favorite little points to demonstrate that the line between good and evil in war is not as clearly defined as revisionist historians like to make it is that in 1945 Winston Churchil ordered a bombing raid on berlin with the bombers carring bombs filled with poison gas (chlorine gas specifically). This violated the geneva convention that his country had signed. After most of the bombers were in the air he canceled the raid after realizing that it would be wrong to commit such a horrid attrocity against a civilian population. Just pointing this out because if he had gone through with the raid, the estimated german casulties would have numbered in the 2-3 million range and that would have greatly unballanced the gun being the weapon that casued the most deaths.
 
Napoleon, you seem to be missing TC's point. The laser is outdated by WCP's time. There were better guns. Perhaps TC should have taken a more obvious example (I'm surprised he didn't, he knows how dense you people can be sometimes). It'd be like using a Civil War era rifle in WW2. Yeah, you can use it, but everyone else's technology is leaps and bounds ahead of yours, and therefore you're going to do poorly. You have to use better weapons to keep up with the times. A rifle from 1860 works, yes, but no matter the power, it's still an ancient weapon that can be very much improved upon.

[Edited by TyeDyeBoy on 02-13-2001 at 21:50]
 
And the stormfire?
Its a weapon based on the Gatling machine gun.
And heat-seakers?
Are based on the old (and efective) AIM-9 sidewinder missile.

There are based on old technology, like the laser.
The Laser on WC P time is more powerful that the one used in WC I time, it have a lower damage potencial but lower energy drain and a faster rate of fire (besides being cheap and easy on the maitenance level for being "simple" beam weapons) that other weapons but it would not be cost efective (not to menction energy problems with the energy output that smaller fighter [piranha] engines would have to produce power to those weapons) to outfit all fighters with Tachyon Guns.
 
The stormfire is similar in output to a gatling gun. It probably does not function in anywhere near the same method. Lasers, though cost effective are also pretty much completely useless on their own in Prophecy.

TC
 
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