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Bandit LOAF

Bandit LOAF

Long Live the Confederation!
Hah-hah, I'm corrupting the FanFic CZ for my own decidedly non FanFic purposes.

I'm working on the framework for a timeline update -- specifically, the dates for everything that happened in the late 60s... this is what I've figured out so far -- please correct any errors.

Wing Commander II
Gwynedd 1 2665.110
Gwynedd 2 2665.117
Gwynedd 3 2665.118
Gwynedd 4 2665.125
Niven 1 2665.132
Niven 2 2665.139
Niven 3 2665.139
Niven 4 2665.140
Ghorah Khar 1 2665.147
Ghorah Khar 2 2665.154
Ghorah Khar 3 2665.161
Ghorah Khar 4 2665.161
Novaya Kiev 1 2666.325
Novaya Kiev 2 2666.326
Novaya Kiev 3 2666.333
Novaya Kiev 4 2666.334
Heaven’s Gate 1 2666.341
Heaven’s Gate 2 2666.348
Heaven’s Gate 3 2666.349
Heaven’s Gate 4 2666.356
Tesla 1 2667.005
Tesla 2 2667.014
Tesla 3 2667.021
Tesla 4 2667.028
Enigma 1 2667.035
Enigma 2 2667.042
Enigma 3 2667.049
K’Tithrak Mang 1 2667.056
K’Tithrak Mang 2 2667.063
K’Tithrak Mang 3 2667.069
K’Tithrak Mang 4 2667.077
Special Ops 1
Pembroke 1 2667.091
Pembroke 2 2667.092
Pembroke 3 2667.092
Pembroke 4 2667.092
Rigel 1 2667.093
Rigel 2 2667.093
Rigel 3 2667.093
Rigel 4 2667.093
Ghorah Khar 1 1 2667.095
Ghorah Khar 1 2 2667.095
Ghorah Khar 1 3 2667.095
Ghorah Khar 1 4 2667.095
Ghorah Khar 2 1 2667.096
Ghorah Khar 2 2 2667.096
Ghorah Khar 2 3 2667.096
Ghorah Khar 2 4 2667.097
Special Ops 2
Canwedon 1 1 2667.098
Canwedon 1 2 2667.098
Canwedon 1 3 2667.098
Canwedon 1 4 2667.098
Canwedon 2 1 2667.099
Canwedon 2 2 2667.099
Canwedon 2 3 2667.099
Canwedon 2 4 2667.099
Canwedon 3 1 2667.100
Canwedon 3 2 2667.100
Canwedon 3 3 2667.100
Canwedon 3 4 2667.100
Ayers Rock 4.1 2667.101
Ayers Rock 4.2 2667.101
Ayers Rock 4.3 2667.101
Ayers Rock 4.4 2667.101
End Run
Chapter 1 (p.67-85) 2667.137
Chapter 2 (p.86-96) 2667.138
Chapter 3 (p.97-111) 2667.158
Chapter 4 – Part 1 (p.112-113) 2667.160
Chapter 4 – Part 2 (p.113-134) 2667.161
Chapter 4 – Part 3 (p.134-140) 2667.161
Chapter 5 (p.141-165) 2667.164
Chapter 6 – Part 1 (p.166-178) 2667.164
Chapter 6 – Part 2 (p.178-184) 2667.167
Chapter 6 – Part 3 (p.184-196) 2667.169
Chapter 7 – Part 1 (p.197-206) 2667.169
Chapter 7 – Part 2 (p.206-211) 2667.175
Chapter 7 – Part 3 (p.211-213) 2667.175
Chapter 8 (p.214-235) 2667.175
Chapter 9 (p.236-253) 2667.175
Chapter 10 (p.253-270) 2667.176
Chapter 11 (p.271-295) 2667.187
Chapter 12 (p.296-309) 2667.189
Fleet Action
Prologue (p. 1-14) 2668.189
Chapter 1 (p.15-22) 2668.190
Chapter 2 (p.30-48) 2668.200
Chapter 3 (p.49-73) 2668.228
Chapter 4 – Part 1 (p.74-98) 2668.228
Chapter 5 – Part 1 (p.99-114) 2668.233
Chapter 5 – Part 2 (p.114-123) 2668.229
Chapter 5 – Part 3 (p.123-126) 2668.233
Chapter 6 – Part 1 (p.127-131) 2668.233
Chapter 6 – Part 2 (p.131-134) 2668.233
Chapter 6 – Part 3 (p.134-142) 2668.241
Chapter 6 – Part 4 (p.142-146) 2668.261
Chapter 6 – Part 5 (p.146-147) 2668.261
Chapter 7 (p.148-165) 2668.271
Chapter 8 (p.166-190) 2668.271
Chapter 9 – Part 1 (p.191-199) 2668.271
Chapter 9 – Part 2 (p.199-202) 2668.285
Chapter 9 – Part 3 (p.203-204) 2668.272
Chapter 10 – Part 1 (p.205-213) 2668.272
Chapter 10 – Part 2 (p.213-216) 2668.285
Chapter 10 – Part 3 (p.216-217) 2668.285
Chapter 11 – Part 1 (p.218-223) 2668.286
Chapter 11 – Part 2 (p.223-226) 2668.280
Chapter 11 – Part 3 (p.227-228) 2668.287
Chapter 11 – Part 4 (p.228-232) 2668.287
Chapter 11 – Part 5 (p.232-237) 2668.287
Chapter 11 – Part 6 (p.237-243) 2668.281
Chapter 11 – Part 7 (p.243-246) 2668.287
Chapter 12 – Part 1 (p.247-261) 2668.294
Chapter 13 (p.262-291) 2668.295
Chapter 14 – (p.292-296) 2668.295
 
And WC3/WC3N

Wing Commander III
Prologue (p.1-3) 2669.191
Chapter 1 (p.4-15) 2669.191
Chapter 2 (p.16-27) 2669.205
Chapter 3 (p.28-39) 2669.205
Chapter 4 (p.40-53) 2669.212
Chapter 5 (p.54-65) 2669.212
Chapter 6 (p.66-67) 2669.212
Chapter 7 (p.78-90) 2669.212
Chapter 8 – Part 1 (p.91-101) 2669.217
Chapter 8 – Part 2 (p.101-103) 2669.217
Chapter 9 (p.104-116) 2669.217
Chapter 10 (p.117-128) 2669.220
Chapter 11 (p.129-138) 2669.220
Chapter 12 (p.139-148) 2669.220
Chapter 13 (p.149-158) 2669.220
Chapter 14 (p.159-170) 2669.220
Chapter 15 – Part 1 (p.171-174) 2669.221
Chapter 15 – Part 2 (p.174-183) 2669.222
Chapter 16 (p.184-195) 2669.222
Chapter 17 (p.196-207) 2669.235
Chapter 18 (p.208-220) 2669.235
Chapter 19 (p.221-232) 2669.235
Chapter 20 (p.233-245) 2669.236
Chapter 21(p.246-258) 2669.236
Chapter 22 – Part 1 (p.259-268) 2669.236
Chapter 22 – Part 2 (p.269-270) 2669.237
Chapter 23 (p.271-284) 2669.237
Chapter 24 (p.285-295) 2669.247
Chapter 25 (p.296-308) 2669.247
Chapter 26 (p.309-321) 2669.252
Chapter 27 (p.322-334) 2669.262
Chapter 28 (p.335-347) 2669.263
Chapter 29 (p.348-358) 2669.266
Chapter 30 (p.359-370) 2669.267
Prologue (p.371-373) {Months later}
Orsini 1 2669.205
Orsini 2 2669.207
Orsini 3 2669.209
Orsini 4 2669.211
Tamayo 1 2669.212
Tamayo 2 2669.213
Tamayo 3 2669.215
Locanda 1 2669.217
Locanda 2 2669.220
Locanda 3 2669.220
Blackmane 1 2669.222
Blackmane 2 2669.222
Blackmane 3 2669.222
Ariel 1 2669.223
Ariel 2 2669.229
Ariel 3 2669.236
Delius 1 2669.236
Delius 2 2669.236
Delius 3 2669.236
Torgo 1 2669.237
Torgo 2 2669.239
Torgo 3 2669.241
Loki 1 2669.243
Loki 2 2669.245
Loki 3 2669.247
Alcor 1 2669.252
Alcor 2 2669.254
Alcor 3 2669.256
Alcor 4 2669.262
Freya 1 2669.263
Freya 2 2669.264
Freya 3 2669.264
Hyperion 1 2669.265
Hyperion 2 2669.265
Hyperion 3 2669.265
Kilrah 1 2669.266
Kilrah 2 2669.266
Kilrah 3 2669.267
 
All I can say is well done, LOAF. But I doubt anyone can (or will bother) to find any errors unless they're glaringly obvious. :)

[BTW, you once declared 2650s as the 'busiest' WC era. Are there really as many events as you've written here?]
 
Originally posted by Wedge009
All I can say is well done, LOAF. But I doubt anyone can (or will bother) to find any errors unless they're glaringly obvious. :)

[BTW, you once declared 2650s as the 'busiest' WC era. Are there really as many events as you've written here?]
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Well... there's at least one oddity in there that somebody should notice <G>

I think the 2650s will be busier (I'll post a similar skeleton for them later) -- afterall, inside of two years we have a game, three addons, three novels, an outline, 13 episodes of a TV show and a movie.
 
Oddity, eh? Hmm...

Anyway, I had a closer look at them last night - does WC2's Enigma campaign really take nearly two years? And are those dates from the game? Because I remember seeing dates here and there, but not in the detail you have written here.

Also, some of the novel dates appear to have 'flashbacks', is that how it really works?

Just being my usual picky self (remember the maps? :))
 
Hmm... nitpick number one - is there any particular reason for the way you've dated Tesla and K'tithrak Mang? I know there are basic date limits on both sides (we know the date for Heaven's Gate and for the destruction of K'tithrak Mang), but unless we know some other specific dates for that period, I'd squeeze together the last Enigma mission and all the K'tithrak Mang missions into just three or four days. The reason for this is simple - once the Concordia had the jump coordinates, they must have acted very quickly in order to prevent the Kilrathi from blocking up the jump point; then, once inside K'tithrak Mang, they had to act quickly to destroy the HQ before the Kilrathi could destroy them.

Nitpick number two - even if you disagree with the above, K'tithrak Mang 2 and 3 should happen on the same day, while 4 should happen the very next day. The reason for this is that Angel talked to Jazz about his report the same day (she mentions having to debrief Jazz during Blair's debriefing; she even mentions that Blair has a patrol that night).
And then comes K'tithrak Mang 4 - it seems logical to assume that Blair & Sparks' conversation about Jazz' capture and the tapes must have been almost immediately after the capture itself; and Sparks says it will be over in a few hours. This makes even more sense considering that the presence of stealth fighters has just been confirmed and Tolwyn probably didn't feel like sticking around longer.
 
Arrgh, I really need more time to play WC (and catch up with uni stuff).

But those arguments seem reasonable. I should have noticed that the Enigma and K'tithrak Mang missions were a week apart.

On that note, should SO2 occur only a day after SO1? After all, Blair was supposed to have (finally!) been on a break, and when it was cut short, he seemed quite pleased to get back in the cockpit. [Which might imply that he was away for a while, even though the opportunity to 'escort' Jazz to execution may have also contributed to Blair's happiness.]

Also, IIRC, Victory Streak has a 'letter to the editor' about some poor guy moaning about how a 4-day leave isn't long enough for him to get home and back to the ship in time. Clearly they might have been in more desperate times than in SO2, but four days is longer than one.

Also, although this may not be relevant, there was supposed to have been another SO in between SO1 and SO2...
 
At the start of SO2 Stingray tells Blair that Jazz' trial is in one week... so, presumably, the action of SO1 has to fit within that week. I suppose I can squeeze SO1 into only two or three days instead of seven...

Tesla dates aren't particularly reasonable (there's a quote that'll be hard to live down...), but the K'Tithrak Mang dates all come from the Kilrathi Saga calendar (well, KM2, 3 and 4 do).

The Enigma campaign does seem painfully long -- but we're given solid dates (WC2 starts by giving 2665.110, and KS ends it at 2667.077).

Novel 'flashbacks' are because the action at the end of FA doesn't all take place at the same time... you follow Tolwyn and company on the day of the boming for a bit, while the Kilrathi scenes are forward 14 days *after* the bombing (the fleet has been brought to Kilrah).

The big problems were with WC3 -- which I honestly completely screwed up <G> It ignored some important stated dates. So I've done a new version! (I'll bet the formatting screws up, though...).

(I'm going to redo the rest... and then the other games... in this style -- makes it a lot easier to understand and nitpick about, IMO).

2269.??? Prologue (p.1-3)
2669.203 WC3N: Chapters 1 & 2 (p.4-27)
o Blair had been on the Victory for two weeks before his first mission.
2669.217 WC3: Orsini 1
WC3N: Chapter 3 & 4 (p.28-53)
o Blair's ill-fated mission takes place "a week" before the jump to Tamayo. (Two Weeks on Victory)
2669.224 WC3: Orsini 2, 3 & 4, Tamayo 1
WC3N: Chapter 5 (p.54-65)
o "A week" after the party in the rec room. Blair says he will fly with Flint tomorrow.
2669.225 WC3: Tamayo 2 & 3
WC3N: Chapter 6 & 7 (p.66-90)
o Rachel claims this battle takes place three days before Chapter 8, Part 1.
2669.228 WC3N: Chapter 8, Part 1 (p.91-101)
o The Victory will jump to Locanda in two days.
2669.230 WC3: Locanda 1
WC3N: Chapter 8, Part 2, 9 (p.101-116)
o Chapter 10 claims Victory has been in Locanda for 3 days.
2669.233 WC3: Locanda 2 & 3
WC3N: Chapters 10, 11, 12, 13 & 14 (p.117-170)
o Kilrathi Saga calendar.
2669.234 WC3N: Chapter 15, Part 1 (p.171-174)
o Blair claims the destruction of Locanda occured yesterday.
2669.238 WC3: Blackmane series.
WC3N: Chapter 15, Part 2 & 16, Part 1 (p.174-190)
o Narrator claims it has been five days since the destruction of Locanda.
2669.242 WC3: Ariel 1 & 2
WC3N: Chapter 16, Part 2, 17, 18 Part 1 (p.190-210),
o Narrator claims it has been four days since Kevin Tolwyn left the Victory.
2669.243 WC3: Ariel 3, Delius Series
WC3N: Chapter 18, Part 2 (p.210-220)
o Blair claims previous days mission was 'yesterday'.
2669.244 WC3: Delius Series
WC3N: Chapter 19, 20, 21, 22 Part 1 (p.221-269)
o Flint claims the previous days mission was 'yesterday'.
2669.245 WC3: Torgo Series
WC3N Chapter 22 Part 2, Chapter 23 (p.269-284)
o Tolwyn arrives the day after Flash's funeral.
2669.247 WC3: Loki series
WC3N: Chapter 24 & 25 (p.285-308)
o Kilrathi Saga calendar.
2669.249 WC2: Alcor 1
WC3N: Chapter 26, Part 1 (p.309-310)
o The narrator claims that Tolwyn left the Victory two days after Loki 3.
2669.251 WC3: Alcor 2
WC3N: Chapter 26, Part 2 (p.310-315)
o The narrator claims it has been four days since Tolwyn's departure.
2669.252 WC3: Alcor 3
WC3N: Chapter 26, Part 3 (p.316-321)
o States that Paladin arrived "yesterday".
2669.260 WC3: Alcor 4
WC3N: Chapter 27 (p.322-334)
o Blair's conversation with Rachel in Chapter 28 reveals that Hobbes was killed two days before the Victory jumps to Hyperion.
2669.261 WC3: Freya 1, 2 & 3
WC3N: Chapter 28 (p.335-347)
o Blair's conversation with Rachel reveals that this is the day after Hobbes was killed and that it is the day before the Victory jumps to Hyperion.
2669.262 WC3: Hyperion series, Freya 4
o Kilrathi Saga calendar.
2669.266 WC3: Kilrah 1 & 2
WC3N: Chapter 29 (p.348-358)
o In Chapter 30, Melek refers to this engagement as having happened "yesterday".
2669.267 WC3: Kilrah 3
WC3N: Chapter 30 (p.359-370)
o Kilrathi Saga calendar.
~2669.297 WC3N: Prologue (p.371-373)
 
Now that I'm less embarassed about these timeline bits, they can be in the general chat zone! General people, find errors!
 
Blah, just had my uni server go kaput for a few minutes, so I lost everything I just typed...

Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
At the start of SO2 Stingray tells Blair that Jazz' trial is in one week... so, presumably, the action of SO1 has to fit within that week. I suppose I can squeeze SO1 into only two or three days instead of seven...
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At the start of SO1 or SO2? Makes no sense to keep SO1 at one week if it was mentioned at the start of SO2. Could you quote what was said?

Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
The Enigma campaign does seem painfully long -- but we're given solid dates (WC2 starts by giving 2665.110, and KS ends it at 2667.077).
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Well, I suppose you have to work with what's given.
 
Sorry, at the start of SO1 Stingray tells you that Jazz' trial is in a week. The other reason for keeping it all close together is because End Run has to happen a year before Fleet Action...

"Hey, That was a hot mission this morning, wasn't it?
Yeah, things are getting better here every day.
We've got the furballs on the run, HQ is court-martialing Jazz next week---"
 
I don't remember the SO2 intro quite well, but is there really such little time between Jazz's trial and the mission in which Blair escorts him to his execution?

--Eder
 
Originally posted by Eder
I don't remember the SO2 intro quite well, but is there really such little time between Jazz's trial and the mission in which Blair escorts him to his execution?

--Eder
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Well... they seem to show the film of him being a traitor and them convict him in a matter of minutes. :)
 
"Hey, don't I get a last meal or something?"

I guess Blair gets his 'holiday' of sorts when he is hospitalised for whatever kept him out of the Battle of Terra.
 
Yup, nothing screams fun like six months recovering from horrible burns. :)

(He wasn't kept *out* of the BoT -- he was wounded *at* the BoT...)
 
About that "trial in a week" matter, usually a trial is a long, long thing. Maybe the "lights please !" trial scene at the begining of SO2 is just the conclusion of the trial that could have been a few weeks long... don't you think LOAF ?
 
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