Tigers Claw, Concordia, and a bunch of dates.

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TyeDyeBoy

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I need some help identifying a few dates in the timeline, as well as some other ship info.

First of all, when was the Confederation class launched? We know the Bengals were introduced in 2644 with the launch of the Claw (according to Claw Marks). They also reported that at the time, it was the largest carrier in it's class because of the design modifications: just to clarify, they mean in the Bengal Class, yes?

Second, most of WC2 took place in 67 and 68, yet WC3 happened only one year after. Was there an official excuse for the complete and total change in every single ship? I know there would have been many changes happening due to research during the war, but shouldn't we be seeing the older ships, especially since the Victory was considered an outdated POS at the time? Not trying to start an argument, just wanting to know if they tried to explain it at all.

I think that'll cover it for now. I've got a few others but I'll need these answers first. Thanks lots.
 
Hard to tell what is correct with all the inconsistancies between the timeline, manuals, spec sheets, novels etc etc.
Maybe someone should make it a project and correct it!

RFBurns
 
Probably someone with everything that is WC could compile it all and make a whole new manual that has all the corrections regarding specs, timeline etc. I say take a poll and see who has the most resources to do a project like that. Maybe someone in the CIC could, but I can see how it would become a huge project correcting it all. But I think someone should give it some thought!

RFBurns
 
Maybe LOAF. He has 'everything' WC related. If it has the letters W or C in the title, or even on it, he probably has it.:):)
 
That would be my vote also. Just going by what I have read on this forum, LOAF has it all!! No LOAF I am not trying to set you up for something you dont want to do! But I would have to say you would be the best candidate for such a project.

I vote LOAF! :)

RFBurns
 
I vote for Loaf too. Unless...... he wanted to give all of his stuff to someone else..... nah! I wouldn't do that if I were him.

So Loaf, What do ya say?

It shure could put a lot of debates to rest.
 
The answer is that we didn't fight in the same area of the war so we didn't fight the same type of baddies or fight in the same fighters. ANd the Confederation line was discontinued in 2665 due to the problems with the PTC
 
Originally posted by TyeDyeBoy
Second, most of WC2 took place in 67 and 68, yet WC3 happened only one year after. Was there an official excuse for the complete and total change in every single ship? I know there would have been many changes happening due to research during the war, but shouldn't we be seeing the older ships, especially since the Victory was considered an outdated POS at the time? Not trying to start an argument, just wanting to know if they tried to explain it at all.
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Just because we don't see them doesn't mean that they aren't there. However, I think that there may be a better explanation than that. Most of the Wing Commander II games take place in the Enigma Sector and most of Wing Commander III takes place in Vega. Confed could simply be keeping certain fighters in one area while keeping other fighters in another area.
 
Keeping "best" fighter craft in one sector and "not so best" in other sectors does make some sense, to a point. Why maintain an outdated fleet if producing newer and better fighters would be more cost effective and spread out in the entire fleet? I dont know, but if there was a choice of placing old craft vs newer craft in certian sectors, I would forget about the older craft since the enemy will undoubtedly throw its best craft against you in any sector. And if the enemy gets wind that a section of your space has inferior craft protecting it, guess where they will strike first!! :o

RFBurns
 
We already know that the Ranger Class is "old", those "new" ship classes could also be old.
Just because we dont see it before, does not nean that is new, also CoFed lost a lot of ships before the false peace and dismatle many during the false peace, perhaps those ships were all that ConFed had at that time.
 
Weasel, RFB, yes that might make some sense, but not enough. I could understand if it were a couple of designs like that, but an entirely different fleet? That's more than a little hard to believe. Armada helped to bridge it a little... very little... but it's not quite enough.

As for the timeline, LOAF's working on it. I was just hoping to get some data now.
 
One of the major factors that explains the change in ships between WCII and WCIII is the Battle of Terra (novel FLEET ACTION). Most of the Confed inventory was destroyed or damaged, allowing for new craft (that were likely under development) to quickly come to the forefront.

Also, keep in mind that some of these ships had been around for some time -- The RANGER-class carriers (like the VICTORY), the Longbow, Arrow, Hellcat, etc.
 
Well I would say that the ships that we are seeing in WC3 were the ships that were just about to come online before the BoT, as such we never saw them b4 but in 2669 because tolwyn planed on having the victory play a major role in the Behemoth project (which is separate from the omega project) he probably assigned the newer fighters to it. It is too bad the Connie was lost since in 2668 she was still the flagship of the 3rd fleet so i would assume that she was a viable major ship in WCIII time if she hadn't died
 
Not So Complicated

It's no more complicated then a matter of time. The Battle of Terra severly damaged not only the creame of the Confed fleet, but also many important production facilities. You would see newer fighter, and bomber designs quickly for no other reason it's easier and quicker to built such craft then cap ships. Given time, newer, more modern capships would have appeared in the Confed inventory, but clearly the Cats were not about to give Confed that time. Confed was
forced to use whatever it had on hand.
 
The TCS Confederation was launched in 2660 (Concordia in 2661) -- the Sivar The Confederation class was launched in 2660; the Sivar's Proton Accelerator Gun was captured in 2655, and then it takes five years to build the first carrier of a class (further, we know that the Concordia was launched in 2661).

Bengal's weren't introduced in 2644 -- the first Bengal (TCS Bengal) entered service in 2619... the larger updated version of which the Tiger's Claw was the first produced entered service in 2644.

WC2 starts in 2665 and ends in early 2667 -- the two SO addons take place in 2667, too.

The ships onboard the Victory are, for the most part, old -- the Arrow, Hellcat and Longbow were in service in 2654 (they appear in Wing Commander Academy). The only *new* design is the Thunderbolt, which entered service in 2668 (WCIII novel) (and, of course, the Excalibur).

The Concordia was *not* a major player when she was destroyed -- she'd been assigned to 'safe sector' patrols after the Battle of Terra.
 
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