The Durangos are way better than he Rangers

Originally posted by TCSTigersClaw
The guys made it clear that they are talking about the Upscaled Ranger ---> Concordia Class (Wc4).
Sure, but I think Delance may have overlooked that :).

Anyway, the canon sources did not make it clear whether the Durangos have less or more fighters than Rangers. However, if a transport can be converted into a carrier with room for more fighters than a Ranger, then it makes sense that a heavy destroyer (larger than the above-mentioned transport) might also have room for more fighters than a Ranger. My personal estimate for the Durangos would be around 60 fighters.
 
As I always say, Wing Commander is an unstable universe.No solid Timeline and some unclear things between the Games/Movie/WCA/Books.....

Believe whatever you want to believe.I just think that Rangers have more Fighters than the Durangos,you believe the opposite.Whatever......:D
 
Originally posted by Raptor
Actaully, the Intrepid was in a lot of big battles (the cruisers, the scrap with the Lexington, Ella, the Vesuvius), with all the attendent fighter losses, damage, and loss of crew. You can't really argue that it had some huge situation advantage over the Victory.

Best, Raptor

In lot of Battles,but not in the Frontlines of a WAR.The Victory suffered a loooooot during the conflict.
 
Originally posted by TCSTigersClaw
Believe whatever you want to believe.I just think that Rangers have more Fighters than the Durangos,you believe the opposite.Whatever......:D
Fortunately, UE is based on what I believe :D.
 
Originally posted by Quarto
Fortunately, UE is based on what I believe :D.

Yeah....thats true,and I accept that....Im glad its yours and not someone else`s with crazy Ideas.(There are a lot in here:p )

There is no point to these discussions then,since you ll take the final decisions,but there are debates,and I loveeeee to debate ;)
 
I would have to agree with the author's point.

The Durango-Carrier Modification *IS* better than the Rangers.

The Rangers are ancient. The ships were around over 50 years before the Kilrathi Conflict even BEGAN!

Remember in WCAS how the military was always cutting back the defense budget and trying to keep outdated ships flying?

The Ranger-Class was probably an example of this.

The Durango's were outdated in 2662 about. That's about 10 years before WC4.

Could have been in '61 though. While Bandit insists that WC4 is in 2673, all evidence points towards '71 or '72. In the novel, in the beginning it was mentioned that it wasn't even two years since the war ended, and the war ended in late 2669.

So assuming a Destroyer which was outdated in '61, it probably would have served a good 10 or 15 years, maybe 20 if lucky.

With that said, it should have been brand new around 2641 to 2652.

Since the Ranger was commissioned 50 years before the war began (over 50 actually), which began 7 years before 2641, and 18 years before 2652, and the Durango's were commissioned about 10 to 20 years before they were considered obsolete in '62, it would suggest that the Durango's superiority lies in the fact that it is more advanced technologically.

Now, the Durango started out as a heavy destroyer, and a big one at that! I wonder if it was stretched out at all when it was converted into a carrier? But the Border Worlder's took the Destroyer, and split it in half and built a large flight-deck across it.

I wonder if it had a smaller flight-deck there earlier and it was simply enlarged (did the Durango's have a fighter compliment initially?)

The Durango's can carry 40 fighters.
The Rangers can also carry 40 fighters.

I would say the Durango is superior because
-It carries a torpedo-capacity
-It still possesses the ability to go head-to-head with capital ships like a destroyer would.
-It's faster than the Ranger (Durango: 150 kps damaged, vs Ranger: 120 kps in WC3 condition).

The Ranger does have a Capship-Missile Launcher which does have a greater range and gives it a great-degree of bombardment capability, and it's also a dedicated carrier, which has some perks.

I've also heard some comparisons of the Bengals to the Durango's and stuff...

Bengals are slower than the Durangos (130 kps vs 150 kps).
Bengals are almost certainly less maneuverable.
Bengals acceleration probably aren't as good.
Bengals however do carry more torpedoes (I think the movie's 40 torpedo-tube statistic was overboard, but it still probably has torpedo tubes as it does run totally independant of a battlegroup in a wartime scenario).
Bengals also have a significantly greater fighter capacity (104 fighters).
Bengals are also better armed.

As for the comments about the CVS-65 Concordia: The Concordia is a Dreadnought! She's a dreadnought and a carrier in one actually. Dreadnoughts are supposed to be able to go head to head with capital ships.

Think of the Concordia as a WW2 Battleship, except it's also got a 120 fighter compliment, thinner-armor, twice as many main turrets, and a big-ass giant gun down the centerline which can blow a ship to smithereens with a single shot.

That is basically the best analogy of the Confederation-Class Dreadnought.

It is more than just a carrier.

The Bengal-Class is more independant than the Confederation Class though as it operates without a battlegroup. The Confederation-Class requires two-destroyers as escorts.

The Durango-Class by the way should have had an escort. In the novel it did (3 frigates if I recall correctly). The Lexington did not have an escort either. In the novel it did, except in the end Captain Paulson (spelled Paulsen in the game) ran the Lexington ahead of the battlegroup to stop the Intrepid (which was originally called the TCS-Delphi).

I have more to say, and even comparisons of the ships, but I'll do that later.

ADHD's a b*tch

-Concordia
 
Delance: You are talking about the WRONG concordia. I meant the COncordia class heavy carrier, which as far as we know has practically no anti-ship weapons and I cannot recall it ever fighting another capship.


The Durangos were the only things that the UBW had so of course they were on the frontlines, but that doesnt mean much at all.

About Ella that means even less, first off the Victory as assigned to be the Behemoth's SOLE escourt into Kilrah space, ella doesnt compare.

Also the intrepid cannot be kept as the rule because it had the best pilots alive at the time as its fight squadron, Maniac and Blair, plus had many other very good pilots, Panther, Hawk. So it doesnt really work.
 
Some comments:

1. Yeah small confusion of the Concordias. It doesn't chance much, however.

2. I agree with Quarto. Durangos probably can use about 60 fighters, maybe more. Remember, as they captured fighters like Hellcats, Bearcats and Dragons, big fighters, there was place for them.

3. The skill of the pilots also doesn't change much. The fact is that the Intrepid lead very large operations that required a reasonable number of fighters. Blair can't fly every single mission.

4. Ella had lots of fighters. Even more with the fighters of the three capital ships escorting it. After that, what do they face? The Vesivius. A super-carrier. I think it's safe to say a SUPER-carrier have a LOT of fighters. Not pirates or mercenaries, but probably elite pilots.
 
Originally posted by Concordia
Since the Ranger was commissioned 50 years before the war began (over 50 actually), which began 7 years before 2641, and 18 years before 2652, and the Durango's were commissioned about 10 to 20 years before they were considered obsolete in '62, it would suggest that the Durango's superiority lies in the fact that it is more advanced technologically.
That makes no sense... the Ranger is an example of a capship serving for something like 80 years, only decommissioned in2669. The Concordia class is another example - a capship introduced in 2634 and still considered a good fleet carrier in 2673. So what makes you think that the Durangos were only around for twenty years before being decommissioned? For lack of other evidence, my first guess would be that they're a pre-war design.
 
Originally posted by WildWeasel
Well, I think you have to admit that there is a slight difference between a carrier and a dreadnought...

It doesn't change much about the Durango/Ranger thing. Of course there's a big difference between carrier and a dreadnought.

BTW, the WC2 Concordia was a ship that had great anti-capship weapons, and had a good fighter wing. As a carrier, it was pretty good. The Intrepid, in a way, is similar. It's no dreadnought, but it's a carrier that takes other capships as a very good destroyer.
 
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