Gladius Light/Medium/Heavy fighter - you've provided references for the light and the heavy... but where does the medium come from?
Sorry, the middle citation was wrong -- it's Voices of War that classifies the Gladius as being a Medium Fighter.
Hellcat V - the old ship list called the Hellcat "F-86". Is the "F-86" missing from here by accident, or for some other reason?
I haven't been able to confirm the F-86 designation.
Arrow V - all things considered, should this perhaps be listed under two separate headings? We see three different versions of the Arrow (WCA, Armada, WC3), and while we're absolutely certain that the WC3 Arrow is the Arrow V, we don't actually know this about the others (the Armada Arrow is referred to simply as the Arrow, and the WCA Arrow isn't referred to at all). I would suggest using here the same approach that you took with the Dralthi - give the Arrow V one entry, and the remaining unidentified Arrows a second.
The movie Dralthi got a separate entry because it has a backstory that's not compatible with the 'WC1' Dralthi -- it's a hundred years old while the Dralthi in the original game is the "new Dralthi" which first appeared at some point in the war.
I don't see any evidence that the Arrow in Armada and the Arrow in Wing Commander III are supposed to be different ships -- they're both referred to as 'Arrow' almost everywhere, they look exactly the same, they're in service at the same time.
Confederation ships seem to follow the American system of fighter designations -- the difference between the two Arrows would be that one was the F-99A Arrow V and the other was the F-99B Arrow V (or maybe the Armada one would be the RF-99... note to onlookers that this is all for the same of example -- I don't know what the Arrows numerical designation is.)
Also, I hope you're planning to add a BW/FRL/Neutral class list here, too. I know most entries there would be repeats of Confed/Kilrathi classes, but the few additional classes need to be noted somewhere.
Oh, certainly -- to quote the boys at Raylight, it's COMONG SOON.
(The station list is the hard part, as the old one was pretty slapdash...)
Finally... I think it might be a good idea to also add introduction/first-seen and retirement/last-seen dates to the class list.
Further out, but definately something that would be useful.
So after all the previous discussions, it has been now established that the cruisers of WC3/4 were not actually Tallahassee class.
No, it's only been established that there's no way to explicitly prove that they're Tallahassee-class.
The entry for CF-133 Unknown Troopship, the quote that follows refers to a CF-337d. Are these the same ship?
Good catch, CF-337 is the proper designation.
The Banshee (II) Fighter - listed under the Confed entry, despite it being a Border World's fighter. I remember a discussion aways back that talked about the possiblity that the Banshee was some kind of Confed castoff, but I don't recall that being based off of anything canon. Is the choice of putting it in the Confed section based off the "Blair becomes a flight instructor" ending of WC4 (seem to remember the space scene of that cutscene showing Banshees launching from the Intrepid), or something else?
Yup, it's entirely because of the "flight instructor" scene. I'm pretty certain that all three Border Worlds 'unique' fighters were Confed in origin -- because nothing else really makes sense... but the Banshee is the only one that we explicitly see serving in the ordinary Confederation fleet.
(I didn't count weird cover operations one-off ships in this version of the list -- the captured Ralari, the Ras Nik'hra, the Dralthi Mk. IIs, Seether's Avenger, etc. don't get counted with Confed this time around.)
Concerning the Broadsword, should there not be two seperate entries for the CF-131 and the A-17? The numbers would seem to suggest something similar to the movie Rapier being a completely different ship to the F-44 Rapier II, despite the Broadswords we see in-game don't have the II on the name.
As I mentioned to Quarto regarding the Arrow, the requirement I currently have for doing that is that they have completely distinct histories -- I don't see that in the movie Broadsword. Heck, if you squint you can even see the design evolution from the movie Broadsword to the WCA Broadsword to the WC2 Broadsword (to the Privateer Broadsword).
The "Dreadnought class battlewagon"...perhaps a mention of that being in reference to the Project Omega?
Yeah, that's a good candidate for a footnote.
Hades class - the opening cutscene for Secret Ops refers to Cerberus as a "quick strike assault cruiser". Slight difference from the heavy cruiser/quick strike carrier mentioned.
That's a good one, I'll add it.
Gothri - Angel mentions in the debriefing after the first time we see Gothri in SO1 that they are heavy fighters.
Great, no one on IRC last night managed to catch that. The other question was whether or not there's ever a mention of anything but 'experimental fighter' for the Hhriss?
If I remembered a long time ago (3-4 years back), I remembered saying something like this to LOAF. My proposal went, cause if the Longbows and Thunderbolts both ended in F/A-76 and HF-66 (or F-66, going by the WCP gold manual) respectively, why not follow on that tradition to making the Hellcat and Arrow end in 6 as well, for F-86 and F-96? It's not confirmed of course, but it wouldn't hurt, cause it'll at least continue the '6' scheme of the other two for continuty purposes. That was why it was on the old ship list (and the reason I put it on my FT site, which is currently going through revamp now inwhich I took down the Joans section).
I *think* the original claim was that the 'loaded, locked and ready to kick some ass' scene flashed by a screen that called the Hellcat the F-86 -- but I don't have a WC3 handy. If someone has a copy, can they check?
The type/class of carriers of the Victory. Wouldn't it be better to call it the Victory? Because the WC4 novel said how the "40-series CVs" where mothballed. And the Victory is CV-40, so it would definately match with it, as the first ship (or at least earliest) ship of the class. And she was the last on the list for new equipment (as said by Eisen), so she must have been that old.
I'm not quite sure what you mean here.
2) Agincourt cruisers. I guess that might be reasonable. You think it's worth the extra work to note a definate difference between the novel cruisers and the WC3 cruisers? Also, I noticed that these cruisers must be new or something, cause this cruiser is in WC3 and we all know there was a Waterloo cruiser with the name of the Agincourt, so she must have been destroyed in between WC2 and WC3). And it's normally bad juju to have two names at once on a vessel. And that leads to . . .
It's not really meant to imply that there is a difference -- just that there's no way of knowing. Any "unknown" or type ship *could* be something else that's already on the list.
The TCS Agincourt as a 'WC3 Cruiser' comes from the Wing Commander CCG. The other 'seen to be WC3 cruisers' are being called Agincourt (II) type because the types are assigned by whatever the first example alphabetically is (I made a note about this -- it's just to avoid showing any preference to a particular name fan projects might adopt as the 'class' of the ship).
3) TCS Centurion. Another Waterloo cruiser with the same name. And it turns up in Victory Streak. Any possibility that she's some sort of unknown carrier? It is a definately possibility, cause the Agincourt name already shows a situation in which there's two ships with the same name, which means the first christened vessel must have bitten the dust. In addition, she carries an elite Longbow unit, the Black Widows. If I was an Admiral, I'll put my hottest bomber units on my hottest carriers. Another reason the Centurion was in the Terran Defense Fleet (and thus, had time to deploy squadrons for the GCM competition while the frontline fleet was getting their asses kicked).
It's certainly possible -- but it's up to the fans to write that story, not the ships list to imply it.
4) There is another ship missing in the shiplist. The TCS Ticonderoga. The ship mentioned in False Colors, and infamous for having the Karga's Air Boss punch out the Secretary of Defense (can't remember the official thing, but it was a government official) during an inspection. I would think it'll also be another unknown and unconfirmed carrier.
Good catch, it'll be in the next version.
This list is moderately weak regarding False Colors references -- another one was missing until last night, too... the cruiser KIS Dravnor.
You know what's the deal on bombardment munitions? The WC handbook says torpedo tubes are used for orbital bombardment munitions, and the KS manual says that CapShip missiles were used for it. Then WCP says how we had to intercept "cruise missiles" in that one mission (fired from the dreadnought) which turned out to be CapShip missiles in our targeting computer. So are CapShip missiles fired from torpedo tubes, or their own seperate launcher? Are they torpedoes, or cruise missiles, or bombardment missiles?
CapShip Missiles in the classic sense have their own "launch racks", per the Kilrathi Saga manual.
The fact that both CapShip Missiles and Torpedoes are used for planetary bombardment is a red herring, not an implication that they're the same technology -- anti-matter guns, plasma guns and laser batteries all get used for that same purpose (bombardment) as well. You wouldn't say neutron guns and mass drivers were the same because they're all 'anti-fighter' weapons.
The Nephilim missiles are separate, too -- however their technology developed, it's completely separate from the Confederation's history of usage for missiles.
(Edit -- any fixes I mentioned in this post should be in the version now uploaded.)