Pre-WC1 Ships
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WildWeasel
Spaceman
Except for the fact that a Vampire can't launch a defensive wing of fighters, of course.
Originally posted by LeHah
So, you're saying that a common firearm is as effective as a railgun?
Can't figure out whether your joking or not, but no I'm not saying it's as effective, just that the previous post kindof simplified projectile weapons to bullets (since they did make a kindof machine gun sound). Just saying that yes there still are projectile weapons in the WC universe.
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
Since we know the Broadsword started out carrying *no* torpedoes, and that it was later upgraded to carrying *two* (according to the Confed Handbook), it also seems reasonable to assume that it would also later be upgraded to carry *four*, since we see it carrying this many in -- at the very least -- WC2.
LeHah
212 Squadron - "The Old Man's Eyes And Ears"
One could also argue that since it's Paladin and he's a super-powerful, super-secret, super-cool Commodore, that he could have techs do a shit-and-paste job and strap on X-amount of Torpedos. (After all, it would make sense since I only remember seeing Knight and Paladin in Broadswords and mayhaps he wanted to balance out the firepower?)
I'm thinkin...
Spaceman
Not Neccessarily. Paladin wasn't very well liked by the command staff of the Tiger Claw. No one knew he was a commadore until he told Angel about while they where on their mission. Although it is entirely possible that both Knight and Paladin's Broadswords were modified to carry four torpedos because of the predicted size of the Kilrathi fleet. I don't know, something to think about I guess.
Wedge009
Rogue Leader
?!! To my knowledge, no fighter in WC has ever had phase shields. If by phase shields, ones strong enough to deflect all weaponry but torpedoes...
It's the same as in Star Wars. You don't want to be sitting there for hours waiting for the fighters to knock each other's shields down before they blow up.
Not sad at all. You don't think that shield technology can upgrade that much in 30 years?
Preacher
Swabbie
Banned
Yeah, but in this case (the WCM, that is), it also LOOKS like a gun.
Or, more precisely, the nose of the Rapier looks like a big old fat-cat executive who's crammed a bunch of Cuban cigars into his pie-hole and is ready to light 'em up...
...Said it B4, I'll say it again: WCM Rapier = Pig-butt nasty, UGLY, ridiculous-looking bird! Uggghhhhh!!!...
(Come to think of it, if it were an actual bird, it would be a buzzard, or better yet, a turkey...)
Haesslich
Spaceman
Basically phase shields either go through various harmonics or else 'flick on and get recharged many times a second'. Cap ships in the WC universe always have them, which makes them far tougher than most fighters' shields can be - if you haven't noticed why we used Torpedoes in the latter games.
Phase shields are always evolving in the WC universe - with each second game or so, the technology gets too tough for normal fighter weapons or targeting computers to handle the phase variances... which means we're stuck using torpedoes, whose long lock-on times are due to the fact that they have to figure out the phase frequencies and variances of the enemy ship's shielding. Though in WC1 and WC3, we could damage cap ships with guns pretty well - by that time, the weapon and computer technology aboard fighters had caught up to the phase shield technology, allowing the fighters to neutralize that advantage.
But if you're wondering why you suddenly have several hundred centimeters worth of durasteel protection by WC3 and WC4... that phase shield is why.
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
Phase Shields are the type of shields that's 'new' on capships in WC2. They're also the *universal* shield in WC3/4 for fighters and capships.
"Phase Shield" also sometimes refers to the older, Action Stations era shields -- although these are probably actually *meson* shields.
"Phase Shield" also sometimes refers to the older, Action Stations era shields -- although these are probably actually *meson* shields.
Mekt-Hakkikt
Mpanty's bane
Well, at least not for the Rapier and Broadsword.
Haesslich
Spaceman
You never wondered why you moved from having 20cm of shielding on a 'heavy' fighter in WC2 to 200cm of shielding in WC3?
That's phase shields for you. It's just that in the later games, the cap ships get the BETTER, newer phase shields that your guns usually don't scratch. But that's why we have torpedoes.
Wedge009
Rogue Leader
Of course I did. But with all the various discussions here, it's easy to get lost between the correct and incorrect interpretations and explanations of how things like this change throughout WC history. [I think discussion on the disparity of fighter defences between WC2 and WC3 tended to focus on armour, which, of course, having phase shields does not explain.]
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