New dimensions to space warfare?

Originally posted by Dragon
The shrike is overated, confed sould look in a replacement for it, something faster and with better handeling performance, its worst ship that I fly in all the games I played (WC II to WC P SO) passing by far the Tarsus that was the worst before.
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Eh, but that's just your opinion... I like the Shrike far better than the Devastator, and IIRC there's some talk in the Prophecy manual about the Shrike pilots having a higher survival rate...
 
Shrike better than the Devastator? WHAT? That plasma gun kicks a**, and the 5 turrets, those are NICe plus more torps and Mosquitos, I really like the Devastatory and I'm not saying get rid of the Shrike, but there are missions that don't require something like a shrike or devastator, like quick surgical strikes where a fighter that is faster than either of them is necessary, that would be an ideal mission for a dragon or something of that nature being a figher with a few light torps.
 
You are a sucker for underdogs, aren`t you EW? ;)

How is it that you always manage to dislike any ship or weapon that is supposed to be the best? First it`s the Dev`s Plasma gun, and now it`s the Shrike vs. the Devestator itself. :D
 
Originally posted by Napoleon
Shrike better than the Devastator? WHAT? That plasma gun kicks a**, and the 5 turrets,
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Yeah, those turret provide a lot of protection. All they do is mess up my shooting percentage. Whenever I fly bombers my shooting is lower than 30% because of those damn turrets.
those are NICe plus more torps and Mosquitos,
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Yeah, plus a slowly rechargin gun, and a light gun that required ammo...
that nature being a figher with a few light torps.
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Like the Black Vamp with a torp lodaut...


[/QUOTE]How is it that you always manage to dislike any ship or weapon that is supposed to be the best? First it`s the Dev`s Plasma gun, and now it`s the Shrike vs. the Devestator itself[/QUOTE]I never liked a ship that only had one gun after you run out of ammo....:) The Shrike is faster/more agile, and it's guns are better against fighters then the Plasma. Even the Black Devastator that replaces the Stormfire with a Tachyon ain't much better.

BTW, I've never said the Plasma is bad, just that I'd rather use torps.:)


Earthworm, your favorite ship in WC II is........

The Ferret?
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And yours is the Epee...

No, my favorite WC2 ship is the 'Sword, although i prefer the Ferret as a light fighter over the Epee.
 
no its the saber (please, the ferret? well that is YOUR opinion).
And those are bombers (both the Shrike and the the Devastator, the Shrike is not a heavy fighter, and was never being made for that role),not figthers. I get shoot up a lot less in the Devastator that in the Shrike.
And the Black Vampire Torpedo user is quite rare, it a nice idea until a Heavy fighter can be used in that role.(the vampire was never to be a fighter that would launch torpedos, it was made as a space superioraty fighter/intercepter, that is just a emergency adaptacion)
And a bolt of plasma is far more efective that anything that is being use as a gun.
And it may be faster and more agile that the Devastator but its not very more.
And those crapy turrets are only good as a moral bost, nothing more.
And what happens when you are out of torp? go home and get more? well the devastator does not have that problem, it just uses its BIG GUN)

[Edited by Dragon on 01-28-2001 at 20:38]
 
The turrents are not totally useless. I would not mind having a few turrent on my ship to help me deal with enemy ships if my fighter escort got blown to bits. It could be like the turrents on the B-17s. They helped but they still got shredded. But they are still there.
 
Originally posted by Dragon
(please, the ferret? well that is YOUR opinion).
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The Ferret is a much better light fighter than an Epee...

And please, the Sabre? The Morningstar is better than that...:)
And those are bombers (both the Shrike and the the Devastator, the Shrike is not a heavy fighter, and was never being made for that role),not figthers.
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And who said that they were fighters?

I get shoot up a lot less in the Devastator that in the Shrike.
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And I would care about that because? I like the Shrike, because obviously I get killed far less in it than in the Dev...
And the Black Vampire Torpedo user is quite rare, it a nice idea until a Heavy fighter can be used in that role.
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WTF? Rare? You can configure it to carry torps just as easily as you could change missiles in WC3 or WC4.

(the vampire was never to be a fighter that would launch torpedos, it was made as a space superioraty fighter/intercepter, that is just a emergency adaptacion)
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No, it's not.
And a bolt of plasma is far more efective that anything that is being use as a gun.
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It's also much slower, and that gun recharges even slower than it travels...
And it may be faster and more agile that the Devastator but its not very more.
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Enough to make a difference...

And what happens when you are out of torp? go home and get more? well the devastator does not have that problem, it just uses its BIG GUN)
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I think I'll do more good to Confed if I surivive to launch those torps... Besides, the Shrike carries plenty of torps, and it's mission isn't to go after super heavy ships like the Dev.
 
And what happens when you are out of torp? go home and get more? well the devastator does not have that problem, it just uses its BIG GUN)
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Hell yeah. If I'm out of torps, then my fighter escorts are probably out of missiles and low on fuel. If you don't mind, I'm not gonna stick around knowing that my life depends on the slim chance of all enemy fighters flying right in front of my plasma gun.

And yours is the Epee...
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Oww... that's gotta hurt ;). But actually, I'm starting to like the Epee ever since it became a part of UE.
 
whats wrong with the Epee...
Mad hatter is right, if you play as a kilrathi your all time favorite ship would be....

The Salthi.

And I dont have the special mission to WC II, so I never flyed a Morningstar.

BTW, do you know were can I found those missions for the WCII/Ultima underworld CD?
 
Originally posted by Dragon
whats wrong with the Epee...
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It's a piece of shit, that's what's wrong with it. It's armor is thiner than the Ferrets, and it's missiles won't make up for that. Plus, I prefer MD's to Particles.
Mad hatter is right, if you play as a kilrathi your all time favorite ship would be....

The Salthi.
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No, try the Vaktoh.

And if you can't read correctly, I said that my favorite WC2 ship was the Broadsword, hardly an underdong...
 
Like the broadword myself(not as must as the saber), good turrets...(the only turrets I saw in my ship that brouth down figthers)

and you like one of the best Kilrathi ships....unespected.

and no luck with those missions, well I hope that I can still find a KS around......
 
***and you like one of the best Kilrathi ships....unespected.***

Yes, it's hard to suspect that just because I dislike a bomber that you find excelent, I dislike all good ships...:)
 
It's a piece of shit, that's what's wrong with it. It's armor is thiner than the Ferrets, and it's missiles won't make up for that. Plus, I prefer MD's to Particles.
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Why? The Particle Cannon is superior in every way to the Mass Driver, and still uses the same amount of energy.
I hope it's a magicaly upgraded Epee...:)
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Well yeah, it's got an excellent ejection system which doesn't take damage :).
 
I'm not sure about that.. I'd much rather have Mass Drivers than Particle Cannons. I might even prefer 2 Mass Drivers to three Particle Cannons.. maybe.
 
That's what I used to think... but recently, I've finally been able to figure out WC2/A gun stats, and it turns out that the Mass Driver, while using the same amount of energy, is slower, less powerful, and has a shorter range. Of course, it might possibly have a slower rate of refire, but that point's moot because there's no such thing as a refire rate in WC1/2/A.
 
Ferret: fast, agile and sturdy patrol fighter. Good armor and two MD with high fire rate. Could be fitted with HS missiles.

Epee: fast, agile and lite fighter. Thin and weak armor and mediocre particle cannons with slow fire rate. Can't stand against a swarm of ferrets or mediocre opposition with better missiles loadout.

Sabre: Excellente fighter. Good bomber but weak armor for this role. You have to be a real wing commander for it to success as a bomber. Great combination of MD and particle cannons.

Morningstar: What can I say ? MACE !!!!!!!!!!!

Shrike: Good fighter. Good bomber. Good combinations of guns and missiles. Like a Sabre but with better armor to fullfill its role as bomber. Good manew and speed.


Devastator: Slow as hell. Horrible combination of guns. That plasma eat your energy fast and you need to do precision shooting with it on those fast flying Devil Rays and Mantas. Excellent as bomber if it's escorted and could use it's massive amount of turrets to destroy those fighter at it's six. I get killed in this fighter more than in any other 'cause:

1. It's slow.
2. Doesn't have good manew.
3. Those missiles (Mosquito) don't work if you can't keep your target in the HUD.
4. It's big and a easy target.

So, i like more the Shrike. :p
 
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