Lexington Class

Jason_Ryock said:
I can't find this reference, can you help me out? The only one I can find says it was never recovered in the timeline towards the end.
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I'm pretty sure that's the reference LOAF is talking about. The Lexington inserts Angel's team into Kilrathi space then goes on its own mission to win the war. It's assumed that the Lexington and Shirrak destroyed each other on their respective missions.
 
LOAF - thanks for clearing that up. I had re-read Voices of War last night, and the dated implication that the Armada character "may have been" Blair was bugging me. I didn't even stop to think/remember that the Lexington inserted Angel's team, and Angel's presence onboard would have warranted mention if it were the 'blue-hair' from WC's past.

Of course, it was written before all this was decided, but still. There's a reasonable explanation for it, which is what I was looking for.
 
The Covert ops team (Angel's) insertion from the Lexington is from Star*Soldier which was released this summer.
 
Serious question though; if what I am reading in this thread is correct, the in-game depiction of the Lexington is different from the cutscene. That still makes both interpretations canon, correct?
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The green ship in various cutscenes is the Bengal (as seen in SUper Wing Commander.) The light grey ship in flight is the TCS Lexington (believed to be Lexington-class.)

I'm pretty sure that's the reference LOAF is talking about. The Lexington inserts Angel's team into Kilrathi space then goes on its own mission to win the war. It's assumed that the Lexington and Shirrak destroyed each other on their respective missions.
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Yes, I think the key thing here is the fact that the standard timeline has been changed from saying that contact has been lost to saying that the ship was never recovered (now more than three decades later.)

Of course, it was written before all this was decided, but still. There's a reasonable explanation for it, which is what I was looking for.
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I'm not entirely sure it was written before this was decided - remember that Armada was done parallel to Wing Commander III (it came out a few months earlier.) Wing Commander III's manual implies but does not state that the Lexington was the ship which dropped off Angel... and my feeling is that that was the general thought at least by the time WC3 was released.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
The green ship in various cutscenes is the Bengal (as seen in SUper Wing Commander.) The light grey ship in flight is the TCS Lexington (believed to be Lexington-class.)
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So what is the final consensus on this? Can both designs represent the Lex? We see the Bengal class represented differently in WC1, WCM, and SWC...All of those are canon. Can we say that the Lexington might look like either design?

EDIT: Just looked back at some screen shots of Armada...it appears to me that the Lexington's picture as it appears in your MFD when it is targeted actually looks more like the "Bengal" in the cutscene...
 
I'm not entirely sure it was written before this was decided - remember that Armada was done parallel to Wing Commander III (it came out a few months earlier.) Wing Commander III's manual implies but does not state that the Lexington was the ship which dropped off Angel... and my feeling is that that was the general thought at least by the time WC3 was released.
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This is a big shot in the dark, but is it possible that Angel could have been the commander of the Lextington during its insertion into Kilrathi space? I can't recall whether or not the character's logs had any gender-specific references. There was one note from a son to his father, but there's no clarification that it was the Commander's son - since the viewpoints seem to jump around. That, and the last paragraph tells how "Mister Cat guards my bed while I am flying," implying the father was a pilot, and not the skipper.

It would explain the assignments the character had in common with Blair (Condordia, Tiger's Claw), and Tolwyn. Not to mention that it seemed implied/plausible that Angel was leading the covert op in WC3.
 
I think in VoW, the character is supposed to be the Wing Commander. He certainly is a higher-up because he knows about the mission and keeps it secret from the crew for some time.

Also, I think I had the impression that not all Terran entries are written by the same person.
 
EDIT: Just looked back at some screen shots of Armada...it appears to me that the Lexington's picture as it appears in your MFD when it is targeted actually looks more like the "Bengal" in the cutscene...
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They both look very, very similar - the Lexington is a wider, retextured Bengal. The big difference in terms of this thread is that they seem to have (apparently on purpose) drawn windows over the parallel flight decks and replaced them with a single central one.

This is a big shot in the dark, but is it possible that Angel could have been the commander of the Lextington during its insertion into Kilrathi space? I can't recall whether or not the character's logs had any gender-specific references. There was one note from a son to his father, but there's no clarification that it was the Commander's son - since the viewpoints seem to jump around. That, and the last paragraph tells how "Mister Cat guards my bed while I am flying," implying the father was a pilot, and not the skipper.
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There are several different human characters, but I don't think the commander can be Angel. He says: "I wave goodbye to my quarters and envision beaches, blondes, brunettes and banana daiquiris." ... unless, of course, Angel had an interesting secret.

Angel did lead the operation in WC3, but they separated from the Lexington at some point - it just delivered them nearby. She actually arrived at Kilrah in a captured transport...
 
There are several different human characters, but I don't think the commander can be Angel. He says: "I wave goodbye to my quarters and envision beaches, blondes, brunettes and banana daiquiris." ... unless, of course, Angel had an interesting secret.
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That's right. Forgot about that tidbit.

Still, wish we knew who he was on the Claw/Concordia.
 
MannPower said:
That's right. Forgot about that tidbit.

Still, wish we knew who he was on the Claw/Concordia.
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Well, even though we only get to know a small fraction of the pilots and crew of those two vessels, there are certainly a few characters that we don't know everything about.

IIRC there are one or two pilots (sorry that my memory is failing me here) that we see on the Claw or the Concordia that are not continued in any other way through the story. It could be one of them...

Might be fun to brainstorm here and see if we could come up with some candidates. For example, what happened to Knight? I don't remember off the top of my head...
 
I'm not sure Knight's fate was ever elaborated on. I don't recall him being referred to after WC1.

He's pretty much the only known pilot that we don't know too much about. I think we'd have seen him reprised if he were on the Concordia, though.
 
No, they'd turn into Confederation transports. :)

Edit: Ahh, Knight. I have no idea why but the folks at Origin seemed to hate Knight. We're never told what happened to him (apparently the 'Claw crew didn't care)... but the implication is that he died with the ship and that Blair's advice that he stay with the 'Claw instead of going to teach at the Academy is supposed to be an amusing irony...)
 
Knight's the only loose end, really. I think we know the fates of everyone else we fly with who was on the Claw, and then the Concordia.
 
MannPower said:
Knight's the only loose end, really. I think we know the fates of everyone else we fly with who was on the Claw, and then the Concordia.
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hmm...super secret CAG of the Lexington, anyone? haha, bet 'ol Knight has the last laugh. He's probably still out there, with the wreckage of the ship. "oh, if they could only see me now...heart of the tiger? Try the coolest most.....

...wait: I'm dead!...guess they'd be laughing at me..."

It would sure beat being left out! :D
 
There are several different human characters, but I don't think the commander can be Angel. He says: "I wave goodbye to my quarters and envision beaches, blondes, brunettes and banana daiquiris." ... unless, of course, Angel had an interesting secret.
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I gotta be more careful reading stuff... I saw Daquiri and thought: "Huh, I'd like to fly a Kilrathi Daquiri!" :rolleyes:
 
Do we know he was a Tiger's Claw pilot, though? There's the "brass wing Shotglass gave me after K'Tithrak Mang" -- but what the heck does that even mean? 'After K'Tithrak Mang' could mean the destruction of the Tiger's Claw *or* the end of Wing Commander II... and both events don't necessarily require that he served on the Tiger's Claw (especially the latter.) He may just be a Concordia pilot who we don't know.

(It also mentions K'Kai, who was Hunter's Firekkan friend... Blair's bird buddy was Captain Lahrri. My *guess* is that the Armada fiction was part of the attempt to separate 'Blair' from the WC1/2 character... but who knows. It may just be written like it is so that fans of the original games will feel 'at home' with the character.)
 
I know we can't speak in absolutes here, but I choose to believe that the Shotglass reference was intended to imply that the pilot served on the Claw. After all, it may have been an attempt to make the player feel like the character from both prior games; catering to the player's memory/experience in them, rather than that of just Blair.

It's reasonable to just say, "It was a pilot whose experience was pretty close to Blair's, but it wasn't Blair, and it's nobody you got the chance to see before." Allows them to give the player a clean slate, and comps them out of adding a narrative to Armada, while keeping their prior experience in the WC world intact.
 
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