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NinjaLA said:
Given maniacs charming personality, I suppose you could take it as if he was being sarcastic. Because everyone else is inroducing themselves, he makes a smartass comment.
NinjaLA said:
I don't think anybody regarded Custer's Carnival as a debacle - quite the opposite, it was an outstanding success for the Tiger's Claw.Ijuin said:Plus there's the matter of "The man who successfully won the First Battle of Earth by ambushing the Kilrathi at the jump point" would not be looked down upon by Adm. Bergstrom and the rest of HQ as much as seen in the TV series. However, "The Man who nearly got his carrier destroyed in the Custer's Carnival debacle" would be.
Yeah, but there are always those at HQ who measure success in terms of friendly losses, through which lens any action that results in the near-loss of a carrier is a disaster.
Perhaps, all Academy episodes (except the 1st one) could be crammed into the weeks between the movie and WC1. The absence of WC1 characters on the show could be explained to their taking a leave of absence, and the whole cartoon would be a grueling 2-week crash course for the 2nd lieutenants by Tolwyn. The cartoon would end just before WC1 when the veteran pilots return and Tolwyn leaves.
One change here would have to be that the Kilrathi ceremony at the end of the cartoon would not be the same type as that in SM2, since the date would not be the same. I'm still for placing the cartoon in 2653, but this theory might also work to explain the absence of Halcyon and others during important events of the cartoon. I'm still unsure about Tolwyn's shifts in status, though. He seems to wield much more influence in the movie than he does in the cartoon, which is another reason I currently prefer an earlier cartoon date.
Not if it means the salvation of an entire invasion force. There is no way whatsoever that anybody could consider the Tiger's Claw mission a disaster - it was ordered to fight off the enemy until the transports got to safety, and it achieved this, apparently against superior odds. In terms of friendly losses, this operation saved thousands of lives, and an unknown number of transports (with probably some escort capships as well).Ijuin said:Yeah, but there are always those at HQ who measure success in terms of friendly losses, through which lens any action that results in the near-loss of a carrier is a disaster.
and an unknown number of transports
Quarto said:Not if it means the salvation of an entire invasion force. There is no way whatsoever that anybody could consider the Tiger's Claw mission a disaster - it was ordered to fight off the enemy until the transports got to safety, and it achieved this, apparently against superior odds. In terms of friendly losses, this operation saved thousands of lives, and an unknown number of transports (with probably some escort capships as well).
The movie really makes no sense, as they have skipper missiles in the movie. Yet in Wing Commander 2 they didn't believe there wasn't any Cloaked ships, or believed anything had stealth technology until the Kilrathi revealed it. And Blair was framed for it.
So I really don't think they followed the storyline of the games in the movie.
Plus the fact Maniac and Blair weren't "bestest friends" out of the Academy. They hated each other up until 3, or the end of three.
Plus Rapier's were not introduced until well into the war, especially while Blair was serving on board. They weren't immediately available, as soon as Blair and Maniac came on, and they were still in prototype according to Wing Commander 1.
I wish they would just stick to the game storyline in the movie, it would of made it better. Where did Maniac's girlfriend come from?
And why did Angel have such an attitude, did not remember that from the game. Especially to Blair. She was always sweet to Blair.
Where did this "They die, and we forget about them" stuff come from.
The movie really makes no sense