AdmiralHuang
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How did Hawk know about Casey's father being killed in that gruesome manner? It was bugging me this morning before class... I know I know the answer but I can't seem to dig it out of my head.
Sphynx said:Hawk said that he and Blair went out on a search and rescue for the Iceman's pod after he had ejected. They found the pod and the carnage inside, but decided to nix that from the report.
Maybe some of you hard-core continuity guys can help me out. Did that event occurr while they were still flying off of the Tiger's Claw? One thing I couldn't figure out is a little continuity glitch. In WC IV, Blair had heard Hawk's name, but didn't seem to have met him before. In Prophecy, it sounds like Hawk was under the command of the Iceman.
Sphynx
How did Hawk know about Casey's father being killed in that gruesome manner? It was bugging me this morning before class... I know I know the answer but I can't seem to dig it out of my head.
"But, one small detail was omitted from that report. Blair found his lifepod. Brought it in. Iceman was inside-- in pieces. The Cats pulled him in, had their fun, and sent him home. Not exactly a hero's death, huh? So, we omitted it from the mission log to spare the family. Trust me, kid. I know you're trying to help. But I owe those Cats a whole lot of payback, and so do you! See you on deck."
(T'lan Meth Series, Mission 5)
Maybe some of you hard-core continuity guys can help me out. Did that event occurr while they were still flying off of the Tiger's Claw? One thing I couldn't figure out is a little continuity glitch. In WC IV, Blair had heard Hawk's name, but didn't seem to have met him before. In Prophecy, it sounds like Hawk was under the command of the Iceman. Was that supposed to be on the Claw, or some other ship?
Hawk: You know, on one of my first missions in the last war, I lost three wingmen, including two bunk mates. I was ready to sign for a psych discharge. I was a wreck. Couldn't sleep. Couldn't eat. Just kept seeing their faces every time I closed my eyes. This Major took me aside. He said, 'They're dead and you're not. Get used to it.'
Casey: Yeah, easy for him to say!
Hawk: Yeah. But not so easy for him to sign on as my wingman. Which he did! Next mission out, he's got my six. I'm not in the groove yet. He had to kill a clan of Cats until I got myself together.
(T'lan Meth Series, Mission 5)
I guess WC II listed the only survivors from the Claw at that time as Angel, Spirit, Paladin, Maniac, Blair, Jazz and Doomsday (although they were only on the Claw for a little while)... am I forgetting anyone?
...In short, Iceman survived, because what started off as Angel's speech somehow ended as Iceman's speech .WC1/2 guide said:From the silence, Angel's whisper seemed like a roar. "There's nothing to be done, pilots," she said. "Form a convoy pattern and let's head for the Austin. The coordinates are already in our nav computers. Keep radio silence and watch your six. Iceman out."
Quarto said:When he says that "we omitted it from the mission log", he doesn't necessarily mean that he had something to do with the report - the "we" can just as easily be referring to the Navy in general. Iceman wasn't the only ejected pilot ever hacked up by the Kilrathi, so it probably was Navy policy to omit some information in all such incidents
Viper : I flew with your old man in an A-4 at Oriskany. You're a lot like he was. Only better and worse. He was a natural heroic son of a bitch that one.
Maverick : So he DID do it right.
Viper : Yeah, he did all right. Is that why you fly the way you do? Trying to prove something? Yeah your old man did it right. What I'm about to tell you is classified and it could end my career. We were in the worst dogfight I could've dreamed of. There were bogeys like fireflies all over the sky. His F-4 was hit, he could've made it back but he stayed in it, killed three of them before he bought it.
Maverick : How come I never heard that before?
Viper : Well that's not something the Navy tells families, especially when the fight happened over the wrong line on some map.
Maverick : So you were there?
Viper : I was there. What's on your mind?
Originally Posted by WC1/2 guide
From the silence, Angel's whisper seemed like a roar. "There's nothing to be done, pilots," she said. "Form a convoy pattern and let's head for the Austin. The coordinates are already in our nav computers. Keep radio silence and watch your six. Iceman out."
Angel, frequent wingman for Iceman, describes flying with him: "You must learn to listen for Iceman. On the comm unit, in a large engagement, everyone is either shouting or at least very excitable; Iceman is whispering.
...In short, Iceman survived, because what started off as Angel's speech somehow ended as Iceman's speech.
So, if we assume that Iceman did indeed survive (and note that we don't have to assume this - the WC1/2 guide happens to be an in-universe source, so it's possible to blame the Angel/Iceman thing on LaFong), then there's the problem of how Blair rescued him in the B'shriss system while being under house arrest or even on Caernarvon. IIRC, the most commonly accepted explanation is that in fact, the Kilrathi killed Casey in B'shriss, and then dumped the pod in Gwynedd for Blair to find. This explanation is both reasonable and silly. It's reasonable, because Thrakhath certainly did hate Blair enough to pull off such a complicated stunt just to get at him, and it's silly for the same reason - had Thrakhath known exactly where Blair is, I don't think he would have hesitated to strike at Caernarvon. It sounds like the kind of thing he might do to avenge his father and all that .
Yeah, I always assumed Hawk was on the Claw with Iceman and Blair. Not so sure now...
Bandit LOAF said:Just wait till you try to figure out Panther, Blair and the Tarawa...
I don't remember Sparks being in the SM2 game. Was she at all, or was she possibly mentioned in Freedom Flight? Been a long time since I read that one...Bandit LOAF said:Sparks - Sparks served on the 'Claw as part of the team investigating the Ras Nik'hra technologies in SM2. Went back to the Austin like Jazz and Doomsday.
You can check out the the encyclopedia entry on it here.Sphynx said:Also, I'm guessing the Tarawa is from the books. Does anyone have a link where I can find out more about it?
Thanks
Sphynx
I never knew there was an issue with those 3...what exactly is going on in this instance LOAF?
Does the Prophecy Strategy guide have any more cool tidbits? I guess I need to invest in one.
I don't remember Sparks being in the SM2 game. Was she at all, or was she possibly mentioned in Freedom Flight? Been a long time since I read that one...
Are we talking the same Sparks who was the slightly flirtatious tech onboard the Concordia, or is this a different sparks?
Also, I'm guessing the Tarawa is from the books. Does anyone have a link where I can find out more about it?