And where exactly is this clear, unambigious statement from Origin that Tolwyn isn't mentally ill? Since you seem to think that it is so evident in the canon . . .
I’ve never made such a claim. In fact, I haven’t taken any position on Tolwyn’s mental health (well or ill). What I have argued is that what little canon you’ve cited so far to indicate his mental illness is not good enough to resolve the question, and so a more detailed look at the canon is required, something that I’m very interested in seeing done (even if you’re not) and by someone with a working knowledge of psychology.
All you can do is string together inferances and assumptions and say "This must be so becuase..."
You mean (
gasp!) I’ve used logic? Darn! You nailed me pretty good there.
Er, did you even view that ad before launching into the debate?
Only a deranged human mind would launch . . . well, you know what I mean. Besides, this is the second time you’ve quoted the ad.
The trailer says . . . [“]a deranged human *mind* launches...." It is most definitely talking about state of mind, not about actions or behaviour or anything else.
You must have a deranged mind if you think you can get me to agree . . . oh, right, I guess that covers it again.
Nevertheless, I stand corrected. When I said “state of mind” in my last post, that was a poor choice of words. My point was only that, when used to exaggerate, the word “deranged” doesn’t
have to mean mental illness. So while “a deranged mind” does entail a state of mind, it can be just basic stupidity, flawed logic, or damned pride.
And why exactly is insanity is the most natural meaning of deranged?
Because that’s the most commonly understood meaning. And driving the point home many dictionaries, including the OED, principally use each word to define the other.
In addition, you shouldn’t assume that the person in Origin who composed the trailer, irrespective of his/her intent in choosing the word, was as knowledgeable about the range of mental illness as you are.
You still seem to be stuck in the mindset that a person is either stark raving bonkers or is perfectly sound.
Hardly. There’s been mental illness in my extended family. Enough said.
As I recall, the grand sum of proof you offered in your original post that Tolwyn wasn't insane was that he wasn't talking to to himself about blue strawberries. Such a simplistic view overlooks just how complex a field mental illness is.
I wasn’t offering any proof at all, just asking you to present some. As for the particular quote or line, it was from the movie
The Caine Mutiny and does mention strawberries, but no colors.
I see that you're shifting to talking about me personally and my "prejudices" rather than trying to answer my arguments.
No, I’ve tried, as always, to respond to each of your arguments. If I’ve missed one, you have only to flag it for me.
As for your prejudice against Tolwyn,
you were the one who brought it front-and-center, stating that that’s why you wouldn’t want to make out a case that Tolwyn was clinically insane.
Anyway, I’ve mentioned it only twice. The first time, when you first admitted it
immediately after saying that you didn’t believe Tolwyn was clinically insane. How could I not point out the obvious conflict of interest? What would
you have done if our positions had been reversed?
I think I know the answer since this brings me to the second time, where I was responding to
your charge that
I had some personal viewpoint/prejudice/bias that was dictating my interpretation of the canon. (Do I detect a double standard?)
So no, your prejudice was fair game each time. (As it also would have been at Tolwyn’s trial had you been able to appear on behalf of Confed to discount any “insanity” defense.)
I would suggest that you spend a little more time actually boning up on the canon.
Well that’s always good advice. (Though I’ve cited much more canon in these posts than you have.) But I’ll promise to do that provided you promise to catch up on classic movies and novels.