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The Empire Strikes Back is a good title. It gives a good idea about what the movie is about and is nicely dramatic.
 
Originally posted by LeHah
Ewan's actually a pretty smart cookie. He turns down every Hollywood film that comes his way (Star Wars aint a Hollywood movie, its more like Hollywood wants to be Star Wars ;) ) and turned down "garbage" like ID4.

He's also Dennis Lawson's (Wedge Antilles from the original trilogy) nephew. :)
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Hey I liked ID4... well, I prefer the director's cut (puts the scenes back in that the producer cut out... makes the story a lot better.)
 
Originally posted by Manic Hey I liked ID4... well, I prefer the director's cut (puts the scenes back in that the producer cut out... makes the story a lot better.) [/B]
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The trouble with these 'Directors cut' versions is that they rarely have more than a few minutes of extra footage.
Why can't there be a 'directors cut' of some movie with like, 30 minutes extra footage - a whole extra subplot (like There's something about Mary)
 
Originally posted by Dralthi5
And "The Empire Strikes Back" is no less lame.
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YOU have commited the ultimate act of blasphemy.

BTW, ID4 is a wonderful peice of worthlessness. Overly patriotic, overly american (I wonder how sappy, crappy, over-the-top American patriotism goes for over-sea film watchers. Personally, I'm ashamed.) If Roland Emmerich ever gets dragged out into the street for his last two bombs (Godzilla and The Patriot) and the upcoming bomb (Arac Attack!), I'll be the first to spit on him.

[Edited by LeHah on 08-08-2001 at 11:58]
 
ID4 wasn't bad, but it was kinda hard to relate to. I suppose it's a bit funny watching all these American cities get zorched. :) But the two-second shot of Sydney was nice.
 
The Patriot was a sad attempt to clone and cash in another Braveheart. It also bombed quite badly in American theaters. (Must...not...mention...rejecting...David Arnold's score...)

ID4 is just senseless, mindless explosions and bad acting. Bill Pullman as the president? Go back to Lost Highway, little actor man! :)
 
Well, as I said, I can't relate to the American psyche and their revering of their presidents (need I mention the debate about the last election? Here, of all places?)

Anyway, I was kinda freaked out when I finally saw Spaceballs.
 
Originally posted by OriginalPhoenix
Originally posted by Wedge009
Come to think of it, "Return of the Jedi" sounds kinda simplistic too, doesn't it?
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Not really, if you consider that the title is NOT referring to Luke as an individual, but the the Jedi as an order, a group, THROUGH Luke. In that light, it is a title of implied symbolism, and not so simplistic.

That's the way I look at it anyway.
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I also have always thought that in addition to referring to Luke and the Jedi order, the title represents Vadar and his ultimate redemtion.It represents his final completion of a journey began long ago, namely that of being a Jedi.

On an unrelated note about movies like Independence Day,I never thought that the movie took itself to seriously.It was poorly written, and it was definitely not oscar material.However,I think it accomplished what the producers had set out to make.A fun, less than serious, romp in science fiction.It thought it was good fun.Anyways, the public would seem to agree.As for the Patriot I think,when it comes to music,John Williams still did a good job.
 
John Williams always does a good job, but it hasn't been until AI and since Shindler's List that I can say his name proudly.

I only speak of my dislike of William's Patriot score because Director Emmerich used Arnold for 3 films (Stargate, ID4, Godzilla) and then didn't like the Patriot demos. I'm a huge Arnold fan. :(

But we're here to talk WC... :)
 
In some place i saw that the entire SW saga is the story of Anakin/Vader, not Luke or the Jedi.
 
Godzilla? Didn't a group of French soldiers save the day in that while the US army pissed around with thier high-tech toys? Doesn't seem too patriotic to me.
As for ID4... it adds about 30 minutes, explains a whole hell of a lot of stuff that was kind of baffling in the release version (how the bloody hell did that kid get ill all of a sudden? Explained. Various other things too that made no freakin sense in the first.)

By the way... we Americans don't care about patriotism. We just wanna see violence! The Patriot? Bloody. ID4? Things blew up. Pearl Harbor? (Go Japan! YAY!) BLOODY WITH A LOT OF THINGS BLOWING UP. Gladiator? Just shows that the US isn't alone in lack of morals. :) Didn't care who was getting killed.... as long as something did, in fact, get killed. :D

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Originally posted by Supdon3
Im not sure, but I think I should be offended.
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Don't take offense... I'm just stating that we don't care what propagandist bullhooey holywood pumps out... as long as something gets killed. :)
 
Actually, I prefer the antagonits to do the dying over the protagonists. Which was one of my major beefs about Pearl Harbor (that and the fact it sucked ass and didnt really have much to do with Pearl Harbor except as a backdrop for the love story)
 
Originally posted by Ghost
In some place i saw that the entire SW saga is the story of Anakin/Vader, not Luke or the Jedi.
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To some degree, this is correct, base don what I've seen in the past. However, early on it was not clear whether the original movie would do well. Once it did, and the initial trilogy was planned, Lucas wasn't sure more than three movies would ever be made; hence, ANH, ESB, and RotJ became the story of Luke and his journey from farmboy to heroic Jedi Knight.

Now, with the prequel trilogy, Lucas is revisiting his original concept, through Anakin's journey to the Dark Side. It just so happens that it coincides nicely with the original trilogy, and therefore the entire thing can be seen as the complete Anakin-Vader-Anakin journey.
 
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