Consistency???

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Iceyl86

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It seems to be a general thing to have each carrier replaced as the games go on! The Tiger's Claw was destroyed by a stealth bombing run in WC2, the Concordia (which I thought would be permanant), to my surprise was sinking into the sea on Vespus after getting the crap kicked out of it during the battle of Earth, being assigned to backwater duty, ambushed, and blasted soon after, Victory was retired (thank god) after wing commander 3 (not a big fan of light carriers), Wing Commander 4 the Lexington was destroyed (not a big fan of her either since it was basically an enlarged version of the Victory... Concordia class... PAH!), then the Intrepid (UGH!!!), well she kinda just dissappears after 4. In prophecy you fly off a new Mega carrier (very different from the usual light carrier crap *excluding concordia of course ;)*, then you fly off a state of the art strike carrier in Secret Opps... whats the deal? Can't they stick w/ one carrier they are happy w/? This is like the old Power Ranger series, change the Zords, badguys, costumes, characters, etc. EVERY SEASON (no wonder it sucked)!
 
Oh, man, a thread called 'consistency?' had me worried... (G)

But yeah, we go through a lot of carriers. One exception, though -- you can disable the Lexington instead of destroying it! If you use leech missiles/leech guns on her you'll still win the mission and you'll get a different cutscene afterwards where she's disabled instead of a burned out hulk.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
-- you can disable the Lexington instead of destroying it! .
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Yeah but whats the point? Besides that 1 second cut scene i dont see how it effects the story... oh also I was looking at the cover of WC end run... Is that the concordia on the cover? The hull markings and registry # dont match so...
 
It's supposed to be the Tarawa... but the registry doesn't match there, either.

(That said, Wing Commander II's box doesn't match the actual game for the Concordia's hull number, either. The box says 14 and it's 65 in the game.)
 
Iceyl86 said:
Yeah but whats the point? Besides that 1 second cut scene i dont see how it effects the story...
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It's the difference between murder and mercy. Y ou have the choice to minimize the human cost of the skirmish or not. Now imagine if blair kills the lex, destroys ella, and avoids helping in the Circe system... a patern of blood lust and agression is established and any sympathy for Blair vaporizes before a confed tribunal. Whether or not he was "right" in oposing Tolwyn he would have done nothing to set himself apart from Tolwyns genocidal actions and to promote any leniency in the face of a court martial or some other tribunal before which he should have justly sat. Though perhaps acting improperly, a lot of the confed forces Blair faces in wc4, while though under their influence, were not the black lance but rather legitimate confed operations.

Doesnt the novel say something about Blair not wanting to kill all the "innocent" crew of the lexington or something in that vein? So in the novel he disables the lex as well.
 
AD said:
Doesnt the novel say something about Blair not wanting to kill all the "innocent" crew of the lexington or something in that vein? So in the novel he disables the lex as well.
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Yeah, he manages to disable the Lexington in the official path.
 
Intrepid?

Ok, I'll give there, but what about the Durango class Intrepid? I mean where did this ship come from? I Find it hard to believe the BW built it themselves, and 2, what happened to it after the conflict? You really never hear about it again.
 
IIRC, the Durango class is an old class of Confed destroyer that has been put out of service, the Intrepid being a modified version to carry fighters.
 
At the end of WCIV in the playstation version although it would be the same on the PC format, was that Intrepid became a training vessel for new recruits.

you think over the years, Confed would have to design new, better and stronger ships. You don't think they would keep the same ships and able to maintain it for so long. For example the Bengal-Class strike carriers although good during its time, would have become obsolete when new technology came in and better ships would have out performed it.
Personally, there has been a a consistencey with new ships every so often because of their research and development
 
There's a saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

In other words, just because you want to make new ships to play with doesn't mean you have to scrap all the old ones. Especially when they can maintain some function, such as a training vessel which is not likely to engage in frontline combat.
 
I agree, I just remembering how interesting it was in the wing commander 4 novel I recall reading about a flightof rapiers going head on with hellcats or something newer and all were wiped out - i have to reread it but it was interesting to see the older ships trying to survive against the new ships and losing....suppose it goes to show that new technology "may" always win against older technologu

but then again in the new battlestar galatica series the new viper fighters were destroyed against the cyclons and had to use the older models, I am not sure if taht is correct but it had to do with teh new techology use which the cyclons found a weakness in
 
Seconded, you get a pretty good visual in WC Secret Opps. Excaliburs, and my favorite in WC3, Thunderbolts... Like this one wing where they go into battle along side your Panther wings... Usually they dont survive unless you run really good escort duty, if your lucky, maybe one or two thunderbolts will return. Though usually most of the Pathers will.
 
The Intrepid was the Durango-class Heavy Destroyer TCS Delphi, converted by the Border Worlds into a Light Carrier. Blair mentions that the Durango-class ships were obsolete 'ten years ago' (so, ~2663) and that they were scrapped and sold off.

The question is then when the Delphi became the Intrepid -- because it's always possible that this was something that was done in the sixties during the war rather than something done immediately as the UBW seceeded in '73.
 
Nomad Terror said:
There's a saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

In other words, just because you want to make new ships to play with doesn't mean you have to scrap all the old ones. Especially when they can maintain some function, such as a training vessel which is not likely to engage in frontline combat.
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There's also the issue that it often takes more time and money to replace a capital ship than it does to upgrade its weapons, armor, engines, and/or shield generators. Remember, it takes five years to build a carrier from the keel up.
 
Dahan said:
wasnt it more cost effective to build a whole new cap ship then repair/upgrading it??
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It depends on a whole variety of details. That probably applied to the Midway program versus upgrading the war-era fleet, but by no means is that any sort of universal rule.
 
point taken, it would have been cheaper to build a whole new carrier/captial ship then upgrading but then it would have vary depending on the budget of the military budget with confed

just like in the events prior to the battle of McAuliffe when Senator More and Admiral Banbridge where arguing over the funds for the military
 
Cheaper or not, upgrading is faster--carriers take several years to build, versus less than a year for a retrofit.
 
that maybe true, but at then end when and if they replace everything the fleet would be more powerful over time
 
Ijuin said:
There's also the issue that it often takes more time and money to replace a capital ship than it does to upgrade its weapons, armor, engines, and/or shield generators. Remember, it takes five years to build a carrier from the keel up.
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Then why didnt they do that w/ the Concordia after the battle of Earth rather then just do a few things here and there and place her on backwater duty? Also building new ships doesnt necessarily take THAT long, it all depends on whose building them! Think about it, it took years during WW2 to build the old Yorktown class carriers... it took a few months to get 10 Essex class carriers that were considerably larger and higher quality on the line from the keel up...
 
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