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frostytheplebe

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These seemed to be the mightiest ships in the confederation at thier time. Seeing the Concordia, was a moral boost to everyone. I know there were at least to in existance (the class lead, and the Concordia) but were thier any others? And did any survive the war and continue in service well into the Prophecy years?
 
These seemed to be the mightiest ships in the confederation at thier time. Seeing the Concordia, was a moral boost to everyone. I know there were at least to in existance (the class lead, and the Concordia) but were thier any others? And did any survive the war and continue in service well into the Prophecy years?
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We never see any others (except for possibly CVS-14, on the WC2 box)... but there may be a few others. The Kilrathi Saga manual says that "Continual problems with the phase-transit cannon led to its retirement in late 2665." Since we see them in operation in 2667, it's likely that this refers to a retirement in *production*... meaning that as many as several Confederation-class ships could have been built between the Concordia (2661) and the retirement of the weapon that formed their keel.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
We never see any others (except for possibly CVS-14, on the WC2 box)... but there may be a few others. The Kilrathi Saga manual says that "Continual problems with the phase-transit cannon led to its retirement in late 2665." Since we see them in operation in 2667, it's likely that this refers to a retirement in *production*... meaning that as many as several Confederation-class ships could have been built between the Concordia (2661) and the retirement of the weapon that formed their keel.
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Yeah thats the other thing, why is the Confed dreadnought designated a carrier (CVS-65), and not DN-65
 
We've actually seen very few ship designations in Wing Commander - possibly only CV, CVE, CVS, CVA, CVX and LCA. They don't always match up to real life - CVS isn't an anti-submarine carrier and LCA is light cruiser instead of landing craft. Other designations that exist in real life, like CVL for light carrier, don't seem to in WC (the Victory is just CV-40). That said, there's no "real" DN designation, either - American warships referred to as dreadnoughts were classified as batleships (BB).
 
The other interesting thing is that typically, the first ship of a class is named for the class, at least in the American style of ship-naming (the British RN does it differently at present, but they have Types, not classes).

So presumably Concordia had a sister ship Confederation, if no others.

Or maybe it didn't; after all, Claw Marks suggested that Tiger's Claw was first of the Bengals.
 
That tends to hold true in Wing Commander as well. The Confederation Handbook suggests that earlier variants of the Bengal date back to the early 2600.

Another case would be the Hades Class TCS Cerberus. The Secret Ops intro describes it as the first quick-strike cruiser of its type, but the SO fiction later clarifies that a TCS Hades prototype also existed.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
We never see any others (except for possibly CVS-14, on the WC2 box)... but there may be a few others. The Kilrathi Saga manual says that "Continual problems with the phase-transit cannon led to its retirement in late 2665." Since we see them in operation in 2667, it's likely that this refers to a retirement in *production*... meaning that as many as several Confederation-class ships could have been built between the Concordia (2661) and the retirement of the weapon that formed their keel.
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Yeah I'd heard rumors about the CVS-14 being the TCS Agamemnon?
 
Not in-continuity - the only mention of a 'TCS Armageddon' is in the competition results list in Victory Streak.
 
ChrisReid said:
Another case would be the Hades Class TCS Cerberus. The Secret Ops intro describes it as the first quick-strike cruiser of its type, but the SO fiction later clarifies that a TCS Hades prototype also existed.
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First to be commissioned does not always mean first to be battle-ready, especially if several are planned as a batch. The TCS Hades might have been a prototype-only ship not meant for full service (like the Space Shuttle Enterprise), or it might simply have experienced delays in completion that allowed the TCS Cerberus to be ready first.
 
Ijuin said:
First to be commissioned does not always mean first to be battle-ready, especially if several are planned as a batch. The TCS Hades might have been a prototype-only ship not meant for full service (like the Space Shuttle Enterprise), or it might simply have experienced delays in completion that allowed the TCS Cerberus to be ready first.
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I agree with this. The Cerberus might have had a smoother shakedown with less problems then the Hades, as a result, the class lead might have had to go back to the shipyards for a little reworking, thus delaying the ships entry into service.
 
I agree with this. The Cerberus might have had a smoother shakedown with less problems then the Hades, as a result, the class lead might have had to go back to the shipyards for a little reworking, thus delaying the ships entry into service.
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The TCS Hades is specifically called a 'testbed' at one point - presumably for the incredible new engine technology incorporated in the ships. (On the other hand, these ships 'belong' to the CIS... it's quite possible that most of their operations/assignments/details *aren't* published in the same manner as the Cerberus' commissioning was.)

The Bengal has a different story, the result of an explanatory retcon: the Tiger's Claw (and after) were apparently some significant redesign, with the original TCS Bengal (and many others) being built between 2619 and the early 2640s.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
The Bengal has a different story, the result of an explanatory retcon: the Tiger's Claw (and after) were apparently some significant redesign, with the original TCS Bengal (and many others) being built between 2619 and the early 2640s.
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That makes sense because the Tiger's Claw had torpedo tubes and torpedoes weren't used by the Kilrathi until 2634. We don't know when they entered Confed service but it had to be after that.
 
Bandit LOAF said:
The Bengal has a different story, the result of an explanatory retcon: the Tiger's Claw (and after) were apparently some significant redesign, with the original TCS Bengal (and many others) being built between 2619 and the early 2640s.
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Out of curiosity, what's the source on that one?
 
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