Blair/Eisen's Age During The Venice Offensive

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RyanFialcowitz

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When Blair and Eisen first come aboard The Intrepid, Eisen comments that he fought with the ships former captain during The Venice Offensive forty years ago. This struck me as odd as Venice was the focus of the last few missions in the original Wing Commander. If that had been forty years ago Blair would be about sixty and Eisen would be far older. I checked the timeline on this site and it suggests that there was about nineteen years in between the two events. Any ideas about what the story is with this?

-Ryan P. Fialcowitz
 
What Eisen says in Wing Commander IV is "I met Dominguez 40 years ago, during the Venice Offensive." Unfortunately, 40 years before The Price of Freedom would be 2633 -- before the Kilrathi War started. The novel corrects this, saying that Eisen actually met Dominguez at the Academy and that they served in the Venice Offensive "three decades ago" (~2643, eight years into the war).

Either way, it's not the same action as Wing Commander (I)'s Venice Series -- which took place twelve years later, in late 2654. Two separate actions, which may or may not have taken place in the same system (think about an American veteran saying he was "stationed in Europe" -- he could have served there at almost any time between 1917 and today).

We don't know when Eisen was actually born, but based on the knowledge that he graduates from the (naval) academy between 2635 and 2638 he was probably born between 2612 and 2615... which then makes him in his late fifties in Wing Commander IV. For Blair, we have a solid birth year of 2630 -- which means that he's 43 in Wing Commander IV.
 
That's ageism, Edmo. Not all games are like japanese RPGs, where the world most powerful warriors are around 15.
 
Does anyone have any info on what was going down in the Vega and Epsilon sectors between the start of the war and WCI? Most data that I have read includes of course the Battle of McAuliffe in 2634, a battle in the Enyo system in 2639 and also possibly a second battle of McAuliffe, an Epsilon initiative in 2642 (movie cannon), a "Venice Offensive" in or around 2643, Custers Carnival, and the WCM and WCI campaigns of 2654.

What was the political situation in Vega between 2634-2639? Did Confed withdrawl from most of the sector? How much territory did the Kilrathi control in the Vega sector?
 
That's a pretty detailed request. I'm not sure if we have any info on the 5 years. Only Loaf can answer.
 
Does anyone have any info on what was going down in the Vega and Epsilon sectors between the start of the war and WCI? Most data that I have read includes of course the Battle of McAuliffe in 2634, a battle in the Enyo system in 2639 and also possibly a second battle of McAuliffe, an Epsilon initiative in 2642 (movie cannon), a "Venice Offensive" in or around 2643, Custers Carnival, and the WCM and WCI campaigns of 2654.

What was the political situation in Vega between 2634-2639? Did Confed withdrawl from most of the sector? How much territory did the Kilrathi control in the Vega sector?
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The Confederation policy at the outset of the war was to fight a defensive war, holding onto its established colonies in places like Vega -- the faction percentages on the map in Claw Marks should be fairly accurate for this period. A Kilrathi offensive in 2640 captured 30% of the Terran holdings in the Vega Sector, but the Confederation followed this with a dedicated attempt to retake this territory.

There hasn't been a single concise timeline of that era, but there are lots and lots of minor references to individual battles and so forth. We can work on putting one together, though, which should be a lot of fun. Offhand:

2634 - McAuliffe Ambush
2639 - Enyo/McAuliffe Engagement
- Kilrathi inviade the Hellespont
2640 - Major Kilrathi Offensive (Vega Sector)
- Confederation Counter-Offensive (Vega Sector)
2642 - Major Kilrathi Offensive (Vega Sector, folied by Tiger's Claw)
2643 - Venice Offensive
2644 - Epsilon Initiative
2646 - Kilrathi Counter-Offensive (Epsilon Sector)
2649 - Custer's Carnival

I'll look through my notes and stick together some better descriptions/more specific dates/etc.

(... and the word is 'canon', like the bible, not 'cannon' like you shoot. Not that it applies here.)
 
And we still have no detailed info on those 5 years he specified. :/

But the timeline is good. Loaf, what faction percentages? I never saw KS's manual.
 
KS' manual isn't Claw Marks, I'm referring to the map in the original game's manual.

As for 2634-2639 -- the Kilrathi try to invade the Landreich and Kruger is stuck behind enemy lines, the Second Grand Fleet ends the Pilgrim War, the Kilrathi raid at Masa, Tolwyn commands a frigate... all sorts of little things.
 
(... and the word is 'canon', like the bible, not 'cannon' like you shoot. Not that it applies here.)
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You are correct of course. I had been up for almost 36 hours when I submitted the post in question. I am sure that there were other errors in my posts of that day. My appologies.

Back to the topic at hand. According to official sources, did the Pilgrim war coincide with the early years of the Kilrathi conflict? I got the impression from the movie that the Pilgrim war occured several years prior to first contact with Kilrah.
 
Not to mention that AS makes clear that when the K-War started, Confed had been in peace for centuries.
 
Back to the topic at hand. According to official sources, did the Pilgrim war coincide with the early years of the Kilrathi conflict? I got the impression from the movie that the Pilgrim war occured several years prior to first contact with Kilrah.
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Yes, it went from 2631 to 2635, overlapping with the beginning of the Kilrathi War.

Not to mention that AS makes clear that when the K-War started, Confed had been in peace for centuries.
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I've never understood how people are able to rationalize this as proof that the movie "never happened". I mean, ignore the obvious external argument (Wing Commander's 'creator' versus media tie-in book authors) and the obvious historical argument (what history considers a war in our own era). But the freaking book itself is full of flashbacks to the main characters fighting terrorists and insurgents. Turner thinks at length about things like having to abandon a comrade on an enemy held *planet*... the line you're pointing to (which explicitly refers to wars with aliens, talking about Confed fighting the "Yan") is not a magical Star Trek pass to get rid of any sort of conflict.
 
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