What ever happened to the WC4 improvements???

[Snip]
As for Vesuvius VS Midway. Both ships have various advantages over each other. The Vesuvius for one, can carry much more fighters and it appear that it's faster and more agile, the Midway however, is most likelly cheaper (being the reason why Confed built it in the first place instead of several smaller carriers that would serve the same purpose). On the other hand, the Midway has more secured flight deck than the war-era carriers, and like Penguin said, the Midway has a number of Ion cannons that are not in the game, so it would have more fire power (but again, not like a carrier is suposed to fight other ships).
[/B]

I thought the Midway was a "Stand-alone Carrier force"
capable of performing all the standard functions of a
task force by itself (source: The dialog between Zero and Dallas in the briefing room at the beginning of Prophecy,
and also the manual).

As such, isn't the Midway intended to engage in ship-to-
ship combat without escorts? Not to mention ground assaults, with the onboard Marine brigade (intended)?

-- Brian P.
 
The Midway is much larger, more advanced, and carries a larger fleet than any Vesuvius ever could. Its function is to operate as a mobile base in times of war, carrying three squadrons of fighters, full marine compliment, and any other necessary personel without escorts, making it more economically sound.

IMHO, the Midway could turn the Vesuvius to dust any day.
 
Im not sure your right, The vesuvius was a great ship and I would tend to say that the Midway was more economical rather than better, also everybody is grouping the Vesuvius class super carriers in with the "War time era" ships when that is not the case, the Vesuvius was made in the Post war era as was the midway, they were only separated by 7 years in construction and deployment. Pleople are also forgeting that in the WCP manual it says that the Midway has low armor but it has very strong shields whereas the Vesuvius had/has strong shields and strong armor. Plus the Vesuvius could get its fighters out of the hangar a helluva lot quicker due to the "open hanger" stile of design. In the end this debate will never end, because there is no evidence either way, the only way to tell would be if the Origin people made a battle between the 2 in a game and even that would not be fare because whatever ship their choice main lead character is on would win regardless of the stats.
 
Originally posted by pendell
I thought the Midway was a "Stand-alone Carrier force"
capable of performing all the standard functions of a
task force by itself (source: The dialog between Zero and Dallas in the briefing room at the beginning of Prophecy,
and also the manual).

As such, isn't the Midway intended to engage in ship-to-
ship combat without escorts? Not to mention ground assaults, with the onboard Marine brigade (intended)?

-- Brian P.
No, you got it wrong. The Midway was designed to operate by itself during peace time. During a war, it's supposed to be at a center of a battle group or fleet, and is supposed to be a mobile command center. Belive me, the Midway is not meant to fight other ships by itself.
 
Originally posted by Napoleon
Pleople are also forgeting that in the WCP manual it says that the Midway has low armor but it has very strong shields whereas the Vesuvius had/has strong shields and strong armor.
Except that seven years later, what was considered strong might be of average strength at best...

Plus the Vesuvius could get its fighters out of the hangar a helluva lot quicker due to the "open hanger" stile of design.
The Midway does have 6 launch tubes though, all of them capable to launch at the same time, and even when some of them are destroyed, the Midway can still launch fighters. Take out Vesuvius' hangar, and she's a sitting duck.

Saturneye:

The Midway is much larger, more advanced, and carries a larger fleet than any Vesuvius ever could.
Larger fleet? Do you hapen to mean that it carries more fighters? The Vesuvius can carry over 400 planes as oposed to Midways 252+, so if the two were to fight, Vesuvius' fighter force would turn the Midway into dust.:) And it definetly isn't much larger. The Vesuvius is at around 1,600m.

The Midway itself is by no means a ship that fights by itself. It doesn't have neither the speed, firepower, agility, or shield/armor strength.





[Edited by Earthworm on 01-10-2001 at 17:47]
 
Yes, I mean fighters... but I still say the Midway was an advancement, because it can launch fighters more quickly. Being able to exploit the weakness of the Ves, and the Midway having no such vulnerability, who knows what could happen. It also depends on several things:

Did the Ves' armor/weapons/shields equal the latest technological advances as the Midways?

What ships are on each carrier?

Without things like that, you can't predict anything. If the Midway fought with its WCP compliment against the Ves' WC4 compliment, I would have to say that Midway and its compliment would win hands down.
 
if they were to fight with the same ships that the Vesuvius had in 2673 then maybe the vesuvius would loose. Also one other thing, the Vesuvius could launch fighters faster becasue while maybe only 2 could come out at a time, they could have others right behind them all the way down the hangar while the Midway can launch 6 at a time but it would have to reload the launchers which would take longer. Its the same with how the Connie could launch fighters so fast because of just having a hangar that opens and can have fighters stream out vs the claw that had launchers in the same fasion as the midway.
 
Napoleon: What kind of experience are your pilots going to get if they're going up against an enemy that is outgunned, outnumbered and outeverything else? Over confidence is what & the next time, when they actually run into a credible threat, they'll be dust before they knew what hit them.
You don't need wars to get military spending increases. If Tolwyn had got his way the military & all its black ops would've been well taken care of.

Everyone else including Napoleon: You can't predict diddly squat with your paper statistics. "Vesuvius has more fighters. Therefore Vesuvius will win. No. Midway's got better shields. Midway will win." All that's tripe. Wars aren't decided by stats. There are way too many variables, more than I could possibly list or a computer simulate, that would decide the outcome. And finally, last time I looked, both ships boasted the TCS prefix. They're not going to fight against each other because they're on the same bloody side.
 
This is my fist post.
Does the Vesuvius still have the same figther complent from WC IV?
After all the figther in WCP are bigger so hangar space will be more limited.
The alloy on the Vesuvius had in WC IV is perhaps now common in all ships in WCP.
 
Originally posted by Penguin
[Snip]
And finally, last time I looked, both ships boasted the TCS prefix. They're not going to fight against each other because they're on the same bloody side.

I'm sure they said that about the Vesuvius and the
St. Helens, too, and look what happenned to them :)
 
realy...well I think that if the Vesuvius and the Midway come to figthing terms(the Confed bianual war games) was going to be a hell of a fight both are very close but if midway was able to destroy the Vesuvius hangar ,the Vesuvius had to go in a slug battle against Midway, Vesuvius would get a more dificult time destroying the launch tubes of the Midway since there are 6 of them.
 
Originally posted by StarLight

and i don't recall wcp saying that the eisen carrier group had a vesuvius class carrier...just said that "the eisen carrier group"
if the other two supercarriers existed, they must have been built after wc4, because that's all we saw in construction in the game...

I know this is old, but I'm replying anyway :)

The wing of Vampires is the key to determining that the Eisen is a Ves. The Vampires are only to be stationed on a Heavy or Fleet class carrier. (or something along those lines. It's only to be aboard the biggest and the best :)) Since the Midway Class and the Ves. Class are the only heavy or fleet Confed has that we know about, that kinda narrows it down.
 
well, that makes sense since there was no point in building more vitory-type carriers.
Confed must had in carriers terms.
1-Midway class
5-Vesuvius class
10-victory-type class
 
By the time SO finished the Mistral Sea (second of the planed Midway class carriers) would have been launched, and last time I checked there were only 4 vesuviuses that had ever been created (Vesuvius destroyed, St. Helens destroyed, McKinley active, Eisen active) so where did you get 5 vesuviuses from? And there would be Concordia class heavy carriers al la the Princton and the Lexington in service whereas the Ranger (Victory) class light carriers would either be out of service or only in service in planetary defence or escort carrier functions. In 2669 (WCIII) the rangers were already ancient so in 2681 they would be so hopelessly out dated all they could be would be planetary defence of escort carriers.
 
just from common sense, some years have pass after the 1st vesuvius was launch and 5 heavy carries was not a dificult figure to get since Confed have to patrol confed AND Kilrathi space, concordias and older type are phase out, and only light class carries like the lexington are around, older war time carriers build at the end of the war get a upgrade.
 
vesuvius vs midway...not possible since the vesuvius has been destroyed...

btw...if anyone here remembers that thread about the fighters and their shields and armour...wc3 and wc4 being in units (0.1cm) and wcp and wcso in cm...

i'd say that IF the vesuvius was still around and had the same fighter complement on it as it did in wc4...those fighters would prolly get kicked some what...

also...if u use a bruckner's wcpedit in wcp and import soem other fighters (arrow, dragon, bearcat etc) has it made an error because those ships' stats of the armour and shields turn out to be in the cm, and not units, making them much stronger (1000%) than they should be
 
oh and sort of backup my last point in my last post
in wcso u might notice that the excaliburs and teh thunderbolts do put up a fairly decent fight...obviously they got the same units of measurement for armour and shielding as the wcp fighters...(unless somebody is going to tell me that those fighters are the next version...another type that have been beefed up a bit)
 
Back
Top