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Exactly LOAF, the unborn...

Who tells you that someday we won't be able to clone you a new eye, as a replacement for the damaged one...

I know that the sensory nerves are very delicate, especially in the eye, but science is advancing... :)
 
I don't know -- scientists today regard replacing the retina as being something we're not likely to accomplish within our lifetimes...
 
The over-hyped laser (lasec?) treatment advertised on TV wouldn't be effective -- there's a *big* difference between the front and the back of the eye (G)

That said, lasers have definately been used in treating my eye -- the ideal situation when there's a retinal tear is to use a laser to scar it into place... if that doesn't work, they'll open it up and freeze it into place, scar it some more and stick a gas bubble in to keep it in place while it sticks (G) I've had a *lot* of those procedures, and everything is stable now...

(Well, one eye's a writeoff, too much scarring...)
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
Err, genetic engineering is for the unborn (G) It's hard to change a zillion living cells at once...

Actually all one would need is a good retrovirus to inject the rna/dna into a cell, and it would be systemic rapidly enough to be able to change the dna in all relevent cells.
 
By retinal tear you mean when the retina "unglues" itself from the back of the eye, right? ("unglue" is the term we use in French... :))

My dad had that done.

Wait, actually what I'm talking about is cataract, right? They had to use the laser to "glue" the retina back into place...

I don't fully understand YOUR problem LOAF...

[Edited by mpanty on 03-17-2001 at 23:57]
 
Sort of like what your dad had done -- except I have a genetic condition which means that my retina is particularly weakened, and so it's very difficult to repair and make it stick... and any work usually causes more problems.

The cataract was a result of all the surgeries -- removing a cataract is generally very easy... but in this case, it wasn't, because my eye is held together with spit and glue -- they had to remove the old eye lense and put in a new one without affecting anything else...
 
Ouch... the eye is indeed a very delicate piece of the human apparatus...

I hope that someday even myopia/short-sightedness will be fully corrected by laser (nowadays, not "fully" yet... :(), as indeed I have -6.00 and -5.25 on the right and left eye... :(
 
Originally posted by Napoleon
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
Err, genetic engineering is for the unborn (G) It's hard to change a zillion living cells at once...

Actually all one would need is a good retrovirus to inject the rna/dna into a cell, and it would be systemic rapidly enough to be able to change the dna in all relevent cells.

Of course, you'd have to worry about such problems as the immune system recognising the altered cells as "foreign" and beginning to reject them. Not to mention the problems involved in creating a retrovirus that is still functional but is not itself capable of mutating (the retroviruses are very prone to mutation, due to the way the copy their RNA) into something lethal. In short, while genetic engineerring holds a lot of promise, there's a heck of a lot work to be done before we can modify full grown organisms.

Best, Raptor
 
Originally posted by mpanty
Ouch... the eye is indeed a very delicate piece of the human apparatus...

I hope that someday even myopia/short-sightedness will be fully corrected by laser (nowadays, not "fully" yet... :(), as indeed I have -6.00 and -5.25 on the right and left eye... :(

Yep. I've heard quite a bit about laser surgury (I hape quite bad myopia myself) but I've always figured that it was far better to put up with wearing glasses than going under the surgeon's laser for an incomplete correction.

Best, Raptor
 
Originally posted by mpanty
Ouch... the eye is indeed a very delicate piece of the human apparatus...

I hope that someday even myopia/short-sightedness will be fully corrected by laser (nowadays, not "fully" yet... ), as indeed I have -6.00 and -5.25 on the right and left eye... :(

Ätsch! I have twice than that! :D
 
Well, in which debate do you not win? ;) Except those were there is no true right/wrong.

[Edited by Mekt-Hakkikt on 03-18-2001 at 14:32]
 
Originally posted by Mekt-Hakkikt
Originally posted by mpanty
Ouch... the eye is indeed a very delicate piece of the human apparatus...

I hope that someday even myopia/short-sightedness will be fully corrected by laser (nowadays, not "fully" yet... ), as indeed I have -6.00 and -5.25 on the right and left eye...

Ätsch! I have twice than that!

You are NOT entitled to brag Mekt!! ;)
Especially when there's nothing to be proud of...
I mean, if you want to be the mole of the CIC, fine by me... :p
 
im not going to ask about how we got on to eye surgery, but as were here, does anyone one know roughly how effective and expensive laser eye treatment is, heres a thought the cic shoudl do a poll on how many people wear glasses in the wc scene, btw loaf do you have like a huge cd or zip file somewhere containing all your knowledge, cos if you do im sure the entire community would beg for a copy
 
They started talking about eye surgery when somebody asked about mine -- I've had quite a few retina operations...

Anyway, corrective laser eye surgery costs somewhere around $1,000 dollars -- but it's generally not covered by health insurance. It's supposed to be reletively painless... (laser surgery to the back of the eye definately is *not* painless <G>).
 
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