no ppl. pls dont send me already textured or finished models, even if they are for reference. i have plenty of images of the ships and Bryn is my number one source for any kind of ingame reference. i would not like to use, or reference any other models on the net. for the most part i find a lot of them inaccurate to a great deal and lacking in detail too. thanks for the offer gevatter lars, but its just better this way. plus i dont use max so 3ds is kind of redundant for me. thanks again though.