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Spaceman
I'd have to agree with TC. Attacking Ella head on would be a waste of munitions ,fighters and pilots, all of which are desperately needed in order to stop Tolwyn. Running from Ella's defenses and getting to the jump point ASAP is the best alternative.
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
Ehh, that makes sense when you *say* it, but it's not the issue we faced in the game.
Either way, we went right past Ella -- we had to choose between going straight in and destroying the base or engaging a series of capital ships and *then* passing by the base.
OriginalPhoenix
Professor Emeritus
Bah! A couple of dumbfires fired inside the hangar at the walls takes the VESUVIUS down.
But the only reason you know that the most senior officer is masterminding a plot to provoke a war is because...
1.) A deserter claims said officer is masterminding the war, and
2.) Tolwyn stuck his foot in his mouth.
Now if said deserter kills a number of civilians and then walks into the Senate Chambers claiming that the side he's fighting for is not responsible for the acts of piracy it appears to be guilty of, I'd have a hard time believing his claims.
In the game, it doesn't really matter what course you take on the way in, since Tolwyn still shoots himself in the foot in front of the Senate.
In a real situation such as that, you'd have no way of knowing that Tolwyn was going to screw up, and you'd want to make sure your own reputation was as spotless as possible. If war is declared, Tolwyn probably won't be investigated until after the war. A fat lot of good it'll do the UBW then.
The only thing is, Blair is not just any old deserter, he is the man who won the war with the Kilrathi. Granted Tolwyn is the man who mostly saved Earth, but that is old news
However, I tend to agree that even with that on his side, destroying Ella isn't a great PR move for him and his cause. First time through I chose to go around. I did attack Ella one time, just to see what the mission was like and to get the Admiral ending.
TC/I'm thinkin...: Personally I felt a direct assault on Ella was easier than fighting past the capships and their escorts. Since Blair needed to intercept Tolwyn ASAP he had to take the chance that offered the best probability of success.
mpanty: I believe Blair was operating on the basis of I'll deal with the Vesuvius, when I get to it. Anyways doesn't standard operating procedure dictate, that when attacking a carrier with an open hangar, you fly into the hangar? Once inside the carrier, the weapon you're using ought to be irrelevant.
Junior: Its true that Blair didn't know that Tolwyn would corroborate him, and indeed Tolwyn's stuffup cost him everything. However Blair had to convince the senate. That's the priority. Therefore he had to do everything in his power to get there in time. That necessity, coupled with the "grave and irrevocable" matter the senate was deliberating on, is what gives Blair some justification to seriously consider attacking Ella, as a means to reach the senate.
Finally with regards to Ella. Destroying Ella is something that would probably haunt Blair, like the destruction of Kilrah, for the rest of his life. It probably would permanently damage his reputation. But Tolwyn's activities amounted to a more serious issue then Blair's credibility, in spite of Ella. Now if you guys feel fighting past Ella, as opposed to destroying it, is easier, or simply the only alternative, then you're either better pilots, or less ruthless then I am.
mpanty: I believe Blair was operating on the basis of I'll deal with the Vesuvius, when I get to it. Anyways doesn't standard operating procedure dictate, that when attacking a carrier with an open hangar, you fly into the hangar? Once inside the carrier, the weapon you're using ought to be irrelevant.
Junior: Its true that Blair didn't know that Tolwyn would corroborate him, and indeed Tolwyn's stuffup cost him everything. However Blair had to convince the senate. That's the priority. Therefore he had to do everything in his power to get there in time. That necessity, coupled with the "grave and irrevocable" matter the senate was deliberating on, is what gives Blair some justification to seriously consider attacking Ella, as a means to reach the senate.
Finally with regards to Ella. Destroying Ella is something that would probably haunt Blair, like the destruction of Kilrah, for the rest of his life. It probably would permanently damage his reputation. But Tolwyn's activities amounted to a more serious issue then Blair's credibility, in spite of Ella. Now if you guys feel fighting past Ella, as opposed to destroying it, is easier, or simply the only alternative, then you're either better pilots, or less ruthless then I am.
I'm thinkin...
Spaceman
I am definantly a better pilot
and most definantly not as ruthless.
Even though Tolwyn does stumble over his own words, destroying the Ella superbase would seriously hurt Blairs crediblity. Think of it as if you were one of the senators. After hearing that Ella had been destroyed by UBW pilots, what would be foremost in your mind. Would you believe Blair or Tolwyn before all of the evidence has been laid out. And as a senator would you even want to listen to what Blair has found after he assisted with the destruction of Ella.
Sometimes the choices one has to make are not always as clear cut as you would like them to be but I always try to make the most morally correct choice as I possibly can.
Anyway that's my thoughts. comments? critizism?
Have a nice day!
and most definantly not as ruthless.Even though Tolwyn does stumble over his own words, destroying the Ella superbase would seriously hurt Blairs crediblity. Think of it as if you were one of the senators. After hearing that Ella had been destroyed by UBW pilots, what would be foremost in your mind. Would you believe Blair or Tolwyn before all of the evidence has been laid out. And as a senator would you even want to listen to what Blair has found after he assisted with the destruction of Ella.
Sometimes the choices one has to make are not always as clear cut as you would like them to be but I always try to make the most morally correct choice as I possibly can.
Anyway that's my thoughts. comments? critizism?
Have a nice day!
Originally posted by I'm thinkin...
I am definantly a better pilot
I'M THE BEST PILOT
However, I'm with you. The more moral decisions are usually the best. I like to find the fine line between moral and "getting the job done," though.
I guess I'm less ruthless... I could never live with destroying that many civilians with such a cruel weapon. Not that I'm a bleeding heart, I'm a LOAC man so I like to "play by the rules."
I'm thinkin...: I'm going to pretend to be one of the senators. Blair comes running in. Paladin, er Speaker Taggart, grants him a chance to speak. Blair accuses Space Marshall Tolwyn of using bio weapons and various other crimes. Space Marshall Tolwyn breaks down and confesses to it all. Speaker Taggart orders Tolwyn to be taken away. Considering that Tolwyn confessed to the usage of BIOWEAPONS (which are ILLEGAL) on an ENTIRE PLANET I think I'm going to be pretty outraged at Tolwyn. Finally did the senators actually know that Ella had been destroyed at that point? The game doesn't make this clear and I haven't read the novel so did they?
Col.Dom: You can't live with destroying Ella on your conscience, but you sleep well knowing that you blew away Kilrah and millions/billions of Kilrathi? Note that both of these actions contributed to ending/preventing war.
Col.Dom: You can't live with destroying Ella on your conscience, but you sleep well knowing that you blew away Kilrah and millions/billions of Kilrathi? Note that both of these actions contributed to ending/preventing war.
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
But the new Ella is different... perhaps... rebuilt
?True, but I think the fact that Blair used the flashpak on the Vesuvius in the novel suggests he didn't flashpak the station. IIRC, you can't destroy the base in the game without using the flashpak. If you do use the flashpak on the station, then you don't have it available to use on the Vesuvius. It's not absolute proof, I admit, but it is pretty suggestive.
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