The WC3 'Heart Of The Tiger' Movie Project

Darkelf

Spaceman
Well now I've finally seen the movie, I think its great and I thought the gameplay ties in pretty good with the filmed segments. Whenever things needed explaining, some text would appear. Very cool!

Also the CG at the end is a lot more exciting to look at than the ground missions from the PC version which would have looked... ahem... 'spiky and brown'. Great decision to include that...

Can't remember if it was like this in the game, but was Vaquero supposed to die when going after Hobbes. Cobra dies, Blair goes after Hobbes, then immediately after Vaquero dies. And no burial scenes??? Slightly confused! I seemed to remember the burials whenever someone died... It would have made that part of the movie a little better IMHO.

Queeg, I would like to know, what exactly is Vista supposed to do better with the editing aspect. If you're willing to go back to the project once more, I suppose it's a lot... But I'm happy with the version as it is now, just so you know.
 

Queeg

Rear Admiral
Well, it has been nearly a year but I'm ready to put this project to rest. The movie is finished completely. The changes this time aren't quite as dramatic as between the first two versions.

Changes In Final Version - (Length shortened to 1 hour 58 minutes)

- Video converted to standard 16:9 widescreen (without distorting the picture). This to allow better compatibility and so the movie isn't too letterboxed.

- A lot of audio re-dubbed for clearer sound and better transistion between scenes (Annoying pops and clicks etc removed)

- Missions re-edited and some removed, most missions shorter to keep the pace. New background music in important missions and subtitles size decreased.

- Unimportant scenes cut out and a few new ones added

There's a few other subtle changes but thats all. It's basically just a fixed up version of the second film but it does flow better.

Download - http://www.mininova.org/tor/588408

Well I hope people enjoy the film, oh and Darkelf I took into account your ideas, thank you :), and thank you to everyone here who gave me feedback on the other films. I've thoroughly enjoyed working on this project and can't wait to see the other movies that are in the making. Well there we go, project complete.
 

ChrisReid

Super Soaker Collector / Administrator
- Video converted to standard 16:9 widescreen (without distorting the picture). This to allow better compatibility and so the movie isn't too letterboxed.
By making it to match the ratio of the video clips, I see you've cut down the height of the flight sequences. It looks like you got rid of the cockpits and put on invisible huds too. I'd probably still call that distorting. People have been really into this lately, but I think it's just fine leaving black bars where they'd normally be. The quality and such looks pretty good on this version though.

What are the other files in the torrent?
 

Queeg

Rear Admiral
By making it to match the ratio of the video clips, I see you've cut down the height of the flight sequences. It looks like you got rid of the cockpits and put on invisible huds too. I'd probably still call that distorting. People have been really into this lately, but I think it's just fine leaving black bars where they'd normally be. The quality and such looks pretty good on this version though.

What are the other files in the torrent?
Strangely it's the other way round. The height of the clips has been increased but somehow some of the flight scenes look squashed. Anyway I don't think it was too noticeable, thank you for posting the news on the front page :)

Oh and the other files are deleted scenes, trailer and a music video
 

ChrisReid

Super Soaker Collector / Administrator
Are they the outtakes and trailer we have at the CIC or scenes you cut out of (and a trailer for) your project? Have we posted something about your music video before? That sounds new to me.
 

Queeg

Rear Admiral
Are they the outtakes and trailer we have at the CIC or scenes you cut out of (and a trailer for) your project? Have we posted something about your music video before? That sounds new to me.
Nope just some scenes that weren't used in the film, everything in the torrent are my own video rips. The trailer is the same one posted here before. However, the music video was only posted on youtube, so I guess thats new to here.
 

Queeg

Rear Admiral
Oh right, yes they've been cropped from the original fullscreen clips. I meant that they had more height than the 2nd movie. In the 2nd film about 35% of the spaceflight clips height was removed to give the illusion of widescreen, now it's only 20% cut out, thats what I meant by increased height. Sorry about that, I wasn't thinking of the original.
 
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Question for you Queeg (or anyone else who knows the answer): You mentioned earlier that the video quality improved when you pulled the videos from the PSX version of the game.

Are the quality of the PSX video superior to that found in the original PC version of the game? (Similar to the quality improvement seen between the PC version of WC4 and the DVD version, although I understand the PSX videos wouldn't match the WC4 DVD quality.) Or was this improvement just a matter of the process you used to capture/rip the PSX cinematics?

And how did you capture/rip the PSX cinematics? Did you just use a video capture card or were you actually able to rip the movies from the PSX disc?

EDIT: Okay, apparently I'm blind. I see you answered the question of how you ripped the PSX movies above. Do you still have your original high-quality capture files and would you be willing to share them?

Thanks.
 

AD

Finder of things, Doer of stuff
Are the quality of the PSX video superior to that found in the original PC version of the game? (Similar to the quality improvement seen between the PC version of WC4 and the DVD version, although I understand the PSX videos wouldn't match the WC4 DVD quality.)
They aren't higher resolution or anything, but origin went back and re-compressed all the videos for the 3DO version. The result was that even though the codec was almost the same you had cleaner picture, better color definition.

Basically it was two years worth of evolution in compression technology. So when they needed videos for the PSX port they also used the recompression done for the 3DO version.
 

RGHawk2000

Spaceman
The work was good but

Well, your movie was a cool project. The scenes were fine and it just reminded me when I played the game back them. I played/finished like 6 times with different courses of action just to see what would happen if...well, that was a long time. However sorry I didnt share the way the main character was driven in through the movie. I guess was every player choice who gets who and who live and who died or the way players react under different circuntances. About the FLint pod retrieval, you should do that not to left many people dissapointed (it is doable) or more simple, dont let them/her get destroyed (it is doable, I ve done it myself)

Anyway, it was a good job to put the movie toguether and maybe you could pull the Wing Commander IV movie in the future (causer that was another classic :D)

Regards,

RG

PS: btw, whatever the book says, it doesnt have to be that way otherwise why those option were in the game?
 

RGHawk2000

Spaceman
Queeq you have done a great job on all three versions. It makes me wonder if I should bother with a cut of my own now. I was shocked you made some changes in your two versions (not schooling Flash; Blair not getting drunk; Blair losing the first mission; etc..) I haven't had enough time to watch the movies all the way through -- but I played WC3 so many times that I have the plotline memorized from the game. Again Queeq, great job man.

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If I did a version, however, my cut would be kind of like this.

- Some of the "choice" scenes can be easily mixed together. Like Blair challenging Vagabond about his "record," but then trying to ease the tension by giving the "HQ is as mysterious as the enemy" -- in that case it works. With Vagabond it seems like you need to challenge him a little bit, and then you both earn respect.

- Palidian offers Blair to hit him. Palidian thinks he won't turns away, Blair busts him one.

- Blair needs to soft touch and hard sell Vagabond's release to the Captain.

- Blair grounds Flint, but later is challenged by her when he gets drunk. A few edits with the footage, Blair backs down from Flint and admits she's right.

-Blair ejects during said mission - which includes Eisen screaming "DO YOU THINK I GOT ELVES BUILDING SHIPS!?!?!?!?"

- Blair schools Flash over and over again.

SCENES I AM NOT SURE WHERE I'D GO WITH:

- When Blair first meets Flint -- I'd either "go with my gut" on her; or ask her for suggestions and then blast her with the "go with my gut" line in a edit.

- Rachel might be "cannon," but I was in love with Flint as a teenager. Flint gets picked, Blair just goes his own weapon specs. Then either Flint surives and flies home with Blair; or is killed over Kilrah.

- Blair goes after Hobbes, but in my version -- he finds him part of a patrol outside the astroid field before the Kilrah jumppoint. Editing the early speeches of Hobbes -- Blair and Hobbs dogfight solo. Blair then challenges Thrackath cloaked before taking him out. Leaving Veqetto to be blown out at Kilrah instead of earlier.

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May never do a version.
Hehe, that was my view but the last part:

. I would go all the way on the possible winning streak (Blair never ejects or lose any mission that he could win)
- I would take Flash challange and bit his royal $%& He is a good kid and good pilot so I would need him in future missions.
-Indeed Blair goes after Hobbes and finished him
- I took the final 90 secs to kill Thrakkanth (it took me a while, but after several tries, I kill the bastard and went back to the carrier)
- I would stay with Flint or neither of them (I know, like any good story some you would like to take the girl home as the hero should, but I felt bad about one or the other to be left out)
- I would send Flint home in the last mission tree (she, or any other I pick wont be of use at that part, especially when I already dispatched Hobbes and Thrakkaht before)

Anyway m8, it is your movie and that was your point of view (well, the book point of view) so it is fine. As I said before, I hope you do WCIV as well :)

best regards,

RG
 

ChrisReid

Super Soaker Collector / Administrator
PS: btw, whatever the book says, it doesnt have to be that way otherwise why those option were in the game?
The major choices in the book were pretty much what Origin followed when continuing on to make Wing Commander 4 (or rather, the book was edited to fall in line with the direction that WC4 was to go). I'd guess Queeg weighed that with his own editorial decisions.
 

RGHawk2000

Spaceman
The major choices in the book were pretty much what Origin followed when continuing on to make Wing Commander 4 (or rather, the book was edited to fall in line with the direction that WC4 was to go). I'd guess Queeg weighed that with his own editorial decisions.
the book say something but Fans could think (some supporting one plotline, while some supporteing others) different and that is why there were different plotlines in the game, otherwise would be lineal. As I said, he decided to go mostly with the book ways and it is fine. On a side note, Price of Freedom with Vagabong & Maniac alive confirms that not all in the book of Heart of the Tiger was what origin expected. PLus Forstchen (the one writer that work in both books) always caracterize himself to make some drastic change for what was shown in the game plotlines to increase the story tension and to add more content to it. In few words, this is a fan project you could go any way you please as long keep the essential from the original game, You just said the same thing i said before: Queeg went mostly by the book :D

best regards,

RG
 

Queeg

Rear Admiral
Wow, a lot of replies overnight. Lets see then.....

Okay, apparently I'm blind. I see you answered the question of how you ripped the PSX movies above. Do you still have your original high-quality capture files and would you be willing to share them?

Thanks.
I still have all the high quality source xvid videos, if someone wanted a particular clip I might be able to send them to others.

AD said:
They aren't higher resolution or anything, but origin went back and re-compressed all the videos for the 3DO version. The result was that even though the codec was almost the same you had cleaner picture, better color definition.

Basically it was two years worth of evolution in compression technology. So when they needed videos for the PSX port they also used the recompression done for the 3DO version.
Thank you for clearing that up, thats a very interesting fact. I thought they used entirely different compresson. Does this mean the 3DO version still has better video quality or are they the same?

RGHawk2000 said:
About the FLint pod retrieval, you should do that not to left many people dissapointed (it is doable) or more simple, dont let them/her get destroyed (it is doable, I ve done it myself)

Anyway, it was a good job to put the movie toguether and maybe you could pull the Wing Commander IV movie in the future (causer that was another classic )

Regards,

RG

PS: btw, whatever the book says, it doesnt have to be that way otherwise why those option were in the game?
I considered adding a pod search mission for flint but I'm not sure that Blair would have the time considering he was on his way to destroy Kilrah. Also I thought it might slow the pace of the film down.

I would love to do a WC4 film, however, I do not have a copy of the DVD WC4 set. Also there are several people working on films for this already. Thank you for your input though, glad you liked the movie :).

RG said:
the last part:

. I would go all the way on the possible winning streak (Blair never ejects or lose any mission that he could win)
- I would take Flash challange and bit his royal $%& He is a good kid and good pilot so I would need him in future missions.
-Indeed Blair goes after Hobbes and finished him
- I took the final 90 secs to kill Thrakkanth (it took me a while, but after several tries, I kill the bastard and went back to the carrier)
- I would stay with Flint or neither of them (I know, like any good story some you would like to take the girl home as the hero should, but I felt bad about one or the other to be left out)
- I would send Flint home in the last mission tree (she, or any other I pick wont be of use at that part, especially when I already dispatched Hobbes and Thrakkaht before)

Anyway m8, it is your movie and that was your point of view (well, the book point of view) so it is fine. As I said before, I hope you do WCIV as well

best regards,

RG
- Following on from your second post. A complete winning streak sounds a little predictable, but he is supposed to be an Ace pilot so it could work.

- In the original film I didn't know there was a book so I kept flash in for the whole game (although I think he died on the Kilrah run). If I had followed the book more closely then Flash would become a pilot on the victory but dies later on. Keeping him on is an option but another characters role would have to be compromised to keep the film under 2 hours.

- Indeed I'm aware that you can kill thrakath in the 90 seconds before the victory jumps after behemoth. (I managed it on rookie setting with some lucky missile hits) That would of made a great plot twist if he kills thrakath and then doesn't go after hobbes. Vaquero doesn't die and then the big battle at the end is between him and hobbes. Only thing with that is Hobbes can tell everyone about the temblor bomb, even though you can still complete the game after letting hobbes go I think thats only because they didn't have room for another ending etc.

- I actually planned him to choose Flint and then after her death on the final mission it would explain why Blair is alone in WC4. I only changed it because of the book, maybe I should of just gone with the choices I would of made. Ah well.

I did think about making a movie about Wing Commander V - Prophecy, but the actors are so damn annoying and I didn't even complete the game. Well I guess I'm a bit lost on what to do for another project then.
 

ChrisReid

Super Soaker Collector / Administrator
the book say something but Fans could think (some supporting one plotline, while some supporteing others) different and that is why there were different plotlines in the game, otherwise would be lineal.
Yeah, you've said that a couple times now, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Of course anyone could play the game how they want, but there is also an official sequence of events that sets the scene for Wing Commander 4.

On a side note, Price of Freedom with Vagabong & Maniac alive confirms that not all in the book of Heart of the Tiger was what origin expected.
No it doesn't. Origin made sure the following edits were made so that there wouldn't be a problem:

Desperately, Vagabond tried to dodge, but the controls were sluggish.

He broke comm silence. "I can't shake him! I'm going up." And just before the Darket fired again, he managed to add a final plea. "Don't give up, Colonel. You've got to take them down . . . for all of us who didn't make it!"

He slammed the switch to trigger his ejection system, praying he wasn't already too late.
And then his fighter was gone, too, an expanding cloud of flame and smoke and whirling debris. Blair thought he caught a glimpse of the Excalibur's escape pod boosting clear of the explosion, straining to reach orbital velocity but he wasn't sure. And even if Maniac had somehow managed to survive that blast, he wouldn't be playing any further part in this battle.
Both Maniac and Vagabond ejected and survived. I can probably dig up quotes for you later that detail the events that explain how they were picked up.
 

RGHawk2000

Spaceman
My point was simple...

@from Queeg: "- I actually planned him to choose Flint and then after her death on the final mission it would explain why Blair is alone in WC4. I only changed it because of the book, maybe I should of just gone with the choices I would of made. Ah well."

Well, on my version after I ending the game I flew with Flint home. Yes, she doesnt appear in WCIV and there were no place in there they told she was dead. That comes from the book. Again, as I said: Forstchen (the one writer that work in both books) always caracterize himself to make some drastic change for what was shown in the game plotlines to increase the story tension and to add more content to it.

So yes you could go by the novel and your could go your own way (that is why you have multiple plotlines in WCIII & WCIV) And again, yes, after the novel from WCIII some adjustment were required especially in the plotlines for WCIV. That doesnt mean it was sentiment from every the player. It was just what the writer chose to do.

Again, on a simple point Queeg as player maybe wanted Flint but again he adjust to the book and sorry to be repititive but at the end it is your/his choice

@from ChrisReid: "No it doesn't. Origin made sure the following edits were made so that there wouldn't be a problem"
Again I said it wasnt what it was expected but they make sure to be true to the story in the novel & of course they need to do that. But again, They still give you a choice in the game as they did on WCIV cause everyone have his own free will to choice the ending you wanted

Anyway, we could go on & on. I played all WC series (up to prophecy) plus I bought the cutescenes CD for WCIII (which was very funny) plus the books, plus many things, I enjoy the story the way I play as many others enjoyed the way they chose to so it wont be a point to keep going on & on

Again, Congrats to Queerg...

Regards,

RG

PS:Dont need to dig the quotes. Here are the quotes from the novel review of WCIII at wikipdia:
"Flint, Winston "Vagabond" Chang and Maniac, the only living Gold Squadron pilots at this point in the novel, fly with him to Kilrah. Vagabond is shot down on the second leg of the journey (though he survives through unspecified means to return in Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom), Flint is killed in space above Kilrah, and Maniac is shot down in the planet's atmosphere, though Maverick is desecribed as catches a glimpse of what might be an ejection seat (Marshall also returns in WC4)"
 

ChrisReid

Super Soaker Collector / Administrator
So yes you could go by the novel and your could go your own way (that is why you have multiple plotlines in WCIII & WCIV) And again, yes, after the novel from WCIII some adjustment were required especially in the plotlines for WCIV. That doesnt mean it was sentiment from every the player. It was just what the writer chose to do.
Fortunately, Forstchen didn't just run off and write a crazy story on his own. He worked with Origin to write the novels. His book was changed to match what Origin wanted to do with Wing Commander 4, not the other way around.

PS:Dont need to dig the quotes. Here are the quotes from the novel review of WCIII at wikipdia:
That appears to be accurate, but Wikipedia is not always a reliable source if you're trying to find the official backstory. There are errors throughout the Wing Commander entries.
 
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