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Iceyl86

Spaceman
ok... what is up with the Constellation class? You see it every now and then... but I was never clear as to what its purpose was?

I mean the thing could whoop the tar outta even some of the modern classes, including the Miranda class which I thought it was meant to replace...

What is its purpose neway? An explorer? Medium Warship? Utility and support Vessel??
 

Bandit LOAF

Long Live the Confederation!
Do you remember an episode of Star Trek *ever* concerning itself with what ship classes were meant to replace each other?
 

Primate

Spaceman
I don't know if it cost any *self* respect.

IceyI86:
What's your source for the info on the Constellation and Miranda classes? Didn't the Constellation class show up a lot later than the Miranda?
 

Iceyl86

Spaceman
Primate said:
I don't know if it cost any *self* respect.

IceyI86:
What's your source for the info on the Constellation and Miranda classes? Didn't the Constellation class show up a lot later than the Miranda?

Well I appreciate at least SOMEONE properly responded... I don't really have much in terms of sources, just what I pulled from the Star Trek Universe from watching the show and a couple of the books that actually detail the ships... From what I can gather, the Miranda class had a couple of variants before it was replaced... the variants are the Soyz Class (USS Bozeman), and the modified Miranda class (USS Saratoga, DS9 Episode 1)... I'm not sure what to call that one, or even if it was still a Miranda class... it had the "roll bar with the Torpedo tubes and pulse phasers" removed. The Constellation class came out shortly after the Soyez class did... because of similar armaments and size, I assumed they were the Miranda's replacement... however there are still Mirandas around in the Nemisis time period. Both modified and unmodified.
 

Rictheron

Spaceman
I could go into possibilities and quotations from various episodes of Star Trek from "The Battle", "The Relic", or any number of other episodes but this isn't a Star Trek site. Instead I might offer a website, http://www.ditl.org. The guy who runs that website is incrediably in depth. Episodes, movies, books, and interviews. Anything to do with Star Trek the guy has read it and corrolated it into a pretty convincing history of many ship classes. Even if it is not 100% canon it is as close as anyone could expect to find, he even seperates it by mention from "in episode, in movie" reference, to semi-official mention, to conjecture for easy seperation of information. Enjoy.
 

Iceyl86

Spaceman
Rictheron said:
I could go into possibilities and quotations from various episodes of Star Trek from "The Battle", "The Relic", or any number of other episodes but this isn't a Star Trek site. Instead I might offer a website, http://www.ditl.org. The guy who runs that website is incrediably in depth. Episodes, movies, books, and interviews. Anything to do with Star Trek the guy has read it and corrolated it into a pretty convincing history of many ship classes. Even if it is not 100% canon it is as close as anyone could expect to find, he even seperates it by mention from "in episode, in movie" reference, to semi-official mention, to conjecture for easy seperation of information. Enjoy.

Please... these are random guesses!! I've been on the site three minutes and found over a dozen errors... ambassador so we can assume its a non-combat ship? What a moron! The name Ambassador im pretty sure is intended to mean that it was an escort ship! Thus it is a warship... and what the hell is the Centaur class? The Centaur was a Norway class light cruiser!
 

Iceyl86

Spaceman
powell99 said:
The Centaur wasn't a Norway. It was in that episode of DS9 it looks like a screwed up Exelsior

My bad, you're right... actually If im reading the technical manuel for DS9 right... a lot of the ships were actually old ships that were taken from the scrap yards, thrown together, and put out there... there were a bunch...

Constitution Class Variants

Constitution/Excelsior Variants

Intrepid Variants...

Its probably the most logical explanation as the nacelles are DEFINITLY Excelsior class... as for the saucer... a close look at it... shows that the outter part is Constitution refit... the rest I have no idea...

Here are a couple of examples of ships like that...
 

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cpwdakilr

Swabbie
Banned
I once talked to someone about why they hated Star Trek, and he said it was because the Enterprise looked stupid, he said it was a circle attached to a cylinder attached to two smaller cylinders, I personally believe that theres nothing wrong with it and the design makes sense, I mean, it worked didn't it, it got millions of fans, blew up many a klingon and was back at starfleet command for breakfast.

And some of thes pics of ships really do look like they've just hammered them together and sent them out. sorry for changing the subject slightly.
 

Bandit LOAF

Long Live the Confederation!
The name Ambassador im pretty sure is intended to mean that it was an escort ship! Thus it is a warship...

As Kira says (in The Search), I thought Starfleet didn't believe in warships.

The Defiant was supposed to be unique because it *was* a warship, while previous Starfleet ships were not... with that in mind, clearly the older "Ambassador-class" isn't some kind of space battleship.

That said, I have to ask again if you people even watch Star Trek. The show has absolutely nothing to do with giant space war fleet logistics...
 

t.c.cgi

Vice Admiral
Well, the Constitution vs Miranda...

The Constitution shows performing various tasks, sometimes going relatively long distances. I'd say it's a deep-space cruiser. The Miranda only gets one firm showing of a purpose, which seems to be more specific to a prolonged scientific mission at a single location. The only ship, I think, besides the Defiant, that seems very specific to one mission is the O'Berth. The rest are generalized rather than specialized, able to do everything from a science mission to a skirmish with an irate space alien.

But I think the truth lies in that a lot of the oddball ship designs were invented to give the show interest as it went from one incarnation to another. Heck, the finale of TNG had a Galaxy with more warp nacells and some trinkets glued on. Nothing gives a more instant perception of being futuristic and more advanced than extra gadgets. The newer series have just become more inventive, with either bigger modelling budgets or just a simple desire to do more than recycle parts.
 

powell99

Aviation Junkie
Bandit LOAF said:
That said, I have to ask again if you people even watch Star Trek. The show has absolutely nothing to do with giant space war fleet logistics...

I couldn't have put it better myself. Though sometimes it seems like the US Navy in Space.
 

Stone48420

Spaceman
ChrisReid said:
This is the Off-topic Zone, not the Star Trek Zone.

Once again Im sorry I was afraid that little clip I posted would open the gates and give the trekkies some place new to hang. My greatest fears realized :eek: .
 

Iceyl86

Spaceman
Bandit LOAF said:
As Kira says (in The Search), I thought Starfleet didn't believe in warships.

Off and on wars with the Klingons can be hard medicine...

Bandit LOAF said:
The Defiant was supposed to be unique because it *was* a warship, while previous Starfleet ships were not... with that in mind, clearly the older "Ambassador-class" isn't some kind of space battleship.

I never said it was a battleship. But it was built during a wartime era, even if the Enterprise-C's last days were during a cease fire and peace talks. But if you watch the Episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" they clearly state that the Ambassador class was a cruiser, and a CRUISER is most definitly a warship.

Bandit LOAF said:
That said, I have to ask again if you people even watch Star Trek. The show has absolutely nothing to do with giant space war fleet logistics...

Well if you remember Star Trek 3, the Klingons referred to the Enterprise as a "Federation Battlecruiser".
 

Death

gh0d (Administrator)
What the Klingons call it has absolutely no bearing on what it's designated by the owning government (UFP in ST's case). The MiG-29 isn't called the Fulcrum by the Russians because that's the designation NATO uses to refer to it.
 
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