a full fledged GF
I'm not pretending he's superhuman. His mother endured at least as much at the hands of Skynet's agents, why not John?
She repairs her left arm at one point and you can pretty much see everything that arm is made of.
It takes place something like a decade before any of that other stuff you see in the beginnings of the other movies. Let me repeat this for everyone whining about HKs and shit: It takes place something like a decade before any of that other stuff you see in the beginnings of the other movies.I just saw it yesterday and was a bit disappointed. As a movie it's entertaining but somehow I found the future it showed to be too different than the future we saw in the other movies. I can understand it because after T2 the future was changed, I just don't like it as much.
I'm not going to touch this, but everyone should laugh at you.computer-like
Skynet is having a lot of trouble putting metal in the field at this early stage. The ultimate complement of machines for that particular installation might have been far more comprehensive several years down the road if it hadn't been destroyed.The Skynet HQ seemed awfully undermanned (so to say).
Skynet has a well-documented history of making cocky decisions that don't pan out, though. In the first movie don't they say that the casualties from the original 1997 attack are "over a billion?" That's a pretty huge remaining population of insanely angry people with guns to have hunting you down after you've just played your baddest hand.And as much as I liked Arnold's little appearance, if you finally have a good chance to kill your number one enemy (or number two according to the list), shouldn't you give your Terminator a gun?
It takes place something like a decade before any of that other stuff you see in the beginnings of the other movies.
Sure, the 800-101 that chases John around in the end of the movie probably should have had a gun or a knife or something, but all that proves is that we're more cautious than Skynet is, for recognizing that.
Eh... I don't think he was "seeking redemption." His conversation with Dr. Kogan shows that he wasn't interested.The murderer plot was reasonably well handled. It's obvious that the guy was not evil he'd just done an evil thing in his past and had come to regret it and was seeking redemption.
Explain this. The alternative is that he somehow knows everything. Is that better or worse, and why? I can't see why anyone would bother to bring up the fact that he has no clue what's going on since it makes sense and is completely essential to the movie.The fact that he had no idea when he woke up that he had become a man/machine abomination was ok.
Even further along in the war I doubt there are very many of these. Skynet sent back one Series-1000 and one Series T-X that we know of, and the only other polyalloy terminator we can name seems to be completely rogue and has its own agenda.The things I wanted to see were the liquid metal terminators and more laser pulse cannon terminator skeletons but that's ok since it's the first in a series of movies.
While I hated that part of the movie because it's entirely random and uncomfortable nonsense, "cliche'd" isn't the word you want, here. A cliché is something that's overused. I don't see a lot of inter-hero heart transplants in movies.I had no problems with the movie other than the whole "I need a heart/ooh take mine" plot was very cliche'd and kind of hurt to sit through.
Also not the word you want.The movie works as an action movie lots of imagery...
I don't remember that happening. Its knowledge of the future can be explained by the fact that it knows everything that's happened before, probably including everything Sarah Connor ever said to police or doctors, and it's smart enough to figure out the rest.I think a few things like skynet's future knowledge can be had from the fact that the Terminator in 3 informed skynet of some future events so skynet was aware of things which would be problematic for it.
Well it makes sense that Cyberdyne facilities would be used by Skynet since that's where Skynet is from, and Cyberdyne is clearly ahead of the curve when it comes to high-tech weapons. I don't recall "factories setup for making humans near immortal with cyborg tech." There is one experimental terminator prototype made from Marcus Wright, but that's all. Cyberdyne's factories were set up to make those early HK drones and T1s.I liked the cyberdyne connection and the assembly line with the terminators. I think it makes sense that cyberdyne had factories setup for making humans near immortal with cybog tech and that skynet then coopted those facilities to create robotic death machines that resemble humans.
No, it's not. It's an incredibly clumsy explanation you just made up in your head. The one we have right now is the same one we always did.t's a bit of a cleaner explanation for where the terminators came from than we've previously had.
Skynet does field UAVs with very big weapons of multiple types, but you can't go explore subways and sewers and bunkers and caves and any other places a few billion Resistance soldiers might make into fortresses without something more mobile.One of the problems with the Terminator design has been wtf would they look human when a UAV with a missiles/bomb would be more effective.
That's how things usually work for Skynet, especially this early in the war when it can barely get ahead of the Resistance who clearly have the advantage in terms of equipment.I think this explains it very nicely. The facility was there so skynet used it.
This hurts my mind to a degree I can't express.Will it be matrix style peace?
I agree; it was a thrilling action movie with excellent special effects. You see how I said the same thing you said without falling back on horrible shorthand like "it had explosions and stuff?" This is because I respect myself and want to make sure other people don't think I'm a moron.At the end of the day it had explosions and stuff so it was cool.
Probably not going to happen what with the pregnancy and then the newborn and stuff. Also she's a reeeeaaallly lame character.I'd like to see Catherine get into the fighting more in the upcoming movies.
They probably do. When they get Marcus in the ER and take initial notice of his injuries they remark that he has a prosthetic limb.I think it'd also be cool if the human resistance starts to enhance their soldiers with robotics after marcus.
I'm looking forward to seeing Kyle Reese get sent back through time and to see what the final victory looks like. Will it be matrix style peace? or complete annihilation of the machines?
Eh... I don't think he was "seeking redemption." His conversation with Dr. Kogan shows that he wasn't interested.
Skynet went ahead and flooded the past with trip-eights and at least one T-800. If the more advanced models were available in any kind of reliable supply there'd probably be a lot more of them involved. There isn't likely to be an entire army of the really hot hardware at any time.
While I hated that part of the movie because it's entirely random and uncomfortable nonsense, "cliche'd" isn't the word you want, here. A cliché is something that's overused. I don't see a lot of inter-hero heart transplants in movies.
I'm interested to see if Marcus is really dead.
Probably not going to happen what with the pregnancy and then the newborn and stuff. Also she's a reeeeaaallly lame character.
They probably do. When they get Marcus in the ER and take initial notice of his injuries they remark that he has a prosthetic limb.
Whether Marcus redeems himself, he isn't seeking it. After signing the Cyberdyne release form, he tells Dr. Kogan something like "Just cut me up 'till there's nothin' left." He's obviously seeking *nothing* until he realizes what's become of him. After escaping Connor's base his barely-defined motivation revolves around discovery of who who resurrected him as a hated cyborg followed by revenge. He spends almost as much time basically aimless as he does seeking anything, and redemption is never on his list.I have to argue with Darkmage on this one: it's the point of the character.
I don't particularly like Marcus, as a character. There's nothing wrong with him, but I also really did not give even a fraction of a shit about him. I can't imagine the movie with more of that going on, although the Connors aren't particularly interesting, either, so maybe it's a wash.Marcus should have been the focus and we should have spent a lot more time appreciating his struggle.
It's fun because it's actually Skynet who makes the last-ditch attempt at victory and can't pull it off. It's obvious from TSCC that the war proper is pretty far from over even after the capture of that facility, though. There's no race to Berlin that culminates in Kyle going back to the '80s.(For once I'd like to see a science fiction war scenario that ends in a reasonable way. I don't want a desparate last-ditch strike to finish off the machines... I'd like to see the final victory as implied in the first movie -- a win that comes from years of campaigns and that seems apparent to everyone involved.)
I can overlook this because Marcus is clearly abnormal since his resurrection by Skynet (more speculation on this later.) Maybe he has some kind of redesigned heart based on the principles of infiltrator biology and it can't be rejected or something. That's less important than the fact that it's just stupid.It does feel so silly because it taps into something that we feel like Hollywood just-doesn't-get *over and over*...It's the distant opposite to living through another fifteen years of hard fighting to defeat the machines.
Well, even before that, if they just wanted to bring him back because they figure people liked the character, it could be done. From a utilitarian script-mechanic point of view you could just say they traded hearts or whatever, and Marcus's superior body healed the damaged heart and everything is fine. Even without that it's obvious that he can go really long periods of time functionally dead without ill effect.If we're sticking with Marcus-as-Jesus then I assume we might see him again when it's judgement day for the machines.
I don't think she shouldn't be in the movie, but I do think she's a complete nothing character. I don't have a problem with this, it's just there. I don't see her ever becoming really interesting.- As uninteresting as she is now, I think it's really cool that she's in the movie. It's a necessary connection to Terminator 3 that it would have been so easy to ignore -- and that large portions of the internet will insist *should* be ignored (which is goofy, but I think reaction to T3 is now working the same way as Wing Commander sequels... suddenly everyone loves the last one and hates the new one.) It's just too bad they didn't stick Derek in there somewhere...
Which is fine, because if it's going to be a balanced movie they've got to have at least one of those, and I appreciate that. I just can't comprehend anyone ever saying "Man, I hope we get to see more of her in the next movie."(I also agree with you directly, if not for the same logic. The fact of the matter is it's more interesting to have a character who *isn't* another action hero doing things action heroilily.)
Well now we can have a purely speculative geek discussion of Terminator's future-medicine as well as whether mechanical prostheses are stigmatized in any way.I don't know... it's certainly possible, but I immediately think of Derek's reaction to Cameron being in the past in spite of knowing that John sent her there. They *really* hate machines and might not choose to do this (besides, ordinary organ replacement is apparently so easy that it can be done at an open field hospital in non-surgical conditions...).
The hoping grosses me out, but I wonder if somebody was simply rambling on with clumsy phrasing in a vain attempt to have something to say in this thread.Also, the idea of going to a future Terminator story really hoping to see slightly-cyborg people is kind of clammy.
Has anyone checked out the novelization yet? I'd be curious to see how much more it fleshes out any of the sequences...especially the one between Marcus and Skynet.
When they get Marcus in the ER and take initial notice of his injuries they remark that he has a prosthetic limb.
The single biggest difference I remember is that in the novel John destroys the T-800's head while it is frozen so the whole heart transplant thing is skipped.
I know this because I've seen the movie several times. I don't see what your post is meant to add to what I've already said.it was more of a question, asking if he had a prosthetic limb as they were trying to figure out why a magnetic mine was attracted to him and they likely saw the metal endoskeleton and been wondering why he had metal in his leg
You should avoid admitting this, as it's almost like a magical incantation that sets me ready to destroy you.Don't know if this has been mentioned before, i admit i didn't read ALL the comments as some are like little novels themselves:
They pretty much did this every week with The Sarah Connor Chronicles....and i don't know how they could've come up with yet ANOTHER time travel story and make it entertaining...
Maybe a DVD compilation of ordinary people putting on their best surprised or shocked expression would satisfy you more than a Terminator film, then?i just miss the surprised/shocked faces.