floundericiousMI
Commodore
And Guilherme, I'm sorry for that DF: you didn't deserve it.
Depends on who you ask
Scenario 2 Comment Thread
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Depends on who you ask
I was pretty sure this would stir up some controversy... And I totally understand Avacar's point - it's the main reason why I allowed only straight "panicky" afterburner maneuvers in the first version of the evasive action rules after all. So let's talk this over! I'll start with a quote from the manual:
I read that passage a few times before deciding whether Sylvester's move was legitimate or not. First, there's the note that evasive action can only be taken by ships "with afterburners" - but I noticed (as did Guilherme) that the manual doesn't state they have to be engaged. So that's definitely a glitch in the manual. The next sentence makes things worse by explaining that any maneuver is allowed...
I already fixed this for v0.15, but in v0.14 it's definitely there. I don't like it either, though, so I can see two options right now:
1) We live with it in this scenario, but upcoming games will employ the updated rule (no evasive action without afterburners).
2) We go back one step and Sylvester agrees to engage afterburners instead. (Which won't take him off the map, but a little further away from the action.)
Your two cents?
Let's allow non-afterburner evasive actions this game and keep playing.
And i already have a justificative to allow this: We (confed pilots) are amazing pilots, so we can do such kind of risky manuever (like dodge a missile *cof* *cof*) with excelence
We may as well allow it for this game, but in the future I think one should be required to use afterburners. However, I do think a shelton-slide dodge should be OK.
Sylvester
Vice Admiral
I think that the manual was written with the spirit of forcing players to use afterburners to take evasive actions from missiles. Now why I may argue that because the DF is unguided, its much easier to avoid being hit, in the spirit of the game, I say to go back and change my manuever so that I used my afterburners.
Mekt-Hakkikt
Mpanty's bane
I too am in favour of restricting it to AB manoeuvers in this current game as well.
First, I've always read the rules as limiting it to AB manoeuvers, else it wouldn't have made sense to put the AB requirement in, more a minimum turn rate.
Second, if we allow it, we also have to allow Garga 1 and even Guilherme to chose again if they want to evade and that would put a halt to the game for longer than just changing Sylvester's move.
(I also have several reasons why I think that evading missiles should be limited to AB manoeuvers generally but as I understand it, we all agree that this will be the case with the new rules, so no need to argue there).
Edit: I just saw that the TacOps already has changed Sylvester's move so I guess it's all ok now.
First, I've always read the rules as limiting it to AB manoeuvers, else it wouldn't have made sense to put the AB requirement in, more a minimum turn rate.
Second, if we allow it, we also have to allow Garga 1 and even Guilherme to chose again if they want to evade and that would put a halt to the game for longer than just changing Sylvester's move.
(I also have several reasons why I think that evading missiles should be limited to AB manoeuvers generally but as I understand it, we all agree that this will be the case with the new rules, so no need to argue there).
Edit: I just saw that the TacOps already has changed Sylvester's move so I guess it's all ok now.
Now that Sylvester has given his OK: Evasive action will require afterburner movement in this game and every game to follow (until stated otherwise 
). I've updated the v0.15 manual to include the fact that engaging the afterburners is mandatory. Thanks to Sylvester for responding as fast and kind as he did!
). I've updated the v0.15 manual to include the fact that engaging the afterburners is mandatory. Thanks to Sylvester for responding as fast and kind as he did! floundericiousMI
Commodore
spirit of the game my @$$! You just don't want me right up your tail with 4 pulses of neutron guns! 
Mekt-Hakkikt
Mpanty's bane
Why hasn't Bravo 2 moved? 
*waves hand* Oh, but he has moved, my young padawan!Why hasn't Bravo 2 moved?
But seriously, I'm not sure why I forgot Bravo 2. It's fixed now!
Mekt-Hakkikt
Mpanty's bane
Ah, much better now.
I'm sure it was just an innocent oversight, wasn't it, hmm?
I'm sure it was just an innocent oversight, wasn't it, hmm?
Well, actually, Zeta 2 is showing Zeta 1's movement orders, I think... Zeta 1 did the shelton slide.
I hate it when you're right...
Actually, I haven't found out what could be wrong concerning Bravo 2's movement. Zeta 1 and Zeta 2, on the other hand, both performed a Shelton slide - but I made a few mistakes when placing Zeta 1. (Didn't strike out one afterburner charge, didn't change the "Last Maneuver Performed" text, didn't place the ship correctly.) It's all fixed now, I hope... Please refresh your browser window (or try deleting your browser's cache). If the FF missiles are in the middle of their respective hex, then you've got the new version.
I'm very sorry! Sometimes these things happen, especially when I'm having a concert the same day...
Actually, I haven't found out what could be wrong concerning Bravo 2's movement. Zeta 1 and Zeta 2, on the other hand, both performed a Shelton slide - but I made a few mistakes when placing Zeta 1. (Didn't strike out one afterburner charge, didn't change the "Last Maneuver Performed" text, didn't place the ship correctly.) It's all fixed now, I hope... Please refresh your browser window (or try deleting your browser's cache). If the FF missiles are in the middle of their respective hex, then you've got the new version.
I'm very sorry! Sometimes these things happen, especially when I'm having a concert the same day...
Also, for my orders (Skabak 3) I gave the order:
Skabak 3 afterburns and turns to starboard 60 degress and attempts to perform a Shelton slide for a 120 degree turn to starboard.
With the 60 degree turn being 1 hex (shelton slide failed) shouldn't that put me behind and a little above Zeta 2 while pointing away? The hopeful outcome of my orders was to be able to get some opportunity fire on Zeta 2. My orders as of the board say that my orders were to turn 2 to right, which is not what I intended
Skabak 3 afterburns and turns to starboard 60 degress and attempts to perform a Shelton slide for a 120 degree turn to starboard.
With the 60 degree turn being 1 hex (shelton slide failed) shouldn't that put me behind and a little above Zeta 2 while pointing away? The hopeful outcome of my orders was to be able to get some opportunity fire on Zeta 2. My orders as of the board say that my orders were to turn 2 to right, which is not what I intended
I hate it when you're right...
Actually, I haven't found out what could be wrong concerning Bravo 2's movement.
Bravo 2 declared 'Speed 3, turn 2 left'. So this is forward 2 (half movement rounded up) then first turn left for free, then second turn left at a cost of 1 movement... meaning it can't move forward. What you've shown would be a speed 4 turn left 2. Not that it really makes a big difference as far as firing opportunities or anything, but either the speed/order is wrong, or the unit is placed incorrectly. (Or I've misinterpreted the rules, and you'd know that better than I). Bravo 2 should be 1 square to the right, facing the same direction.