Reluctant Hero’s Vs Unyielding Enemy

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LT Fox Fire

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I have reposted this story Idea due to someone's "advice."
The story is called: When Honor and Duty Fail:

I’m not good with dates so bare with me.

Several months after the events of WC5, the Confed is in a state of panic. With the reports of the conflict endured by the Midway and her crew, the Confederation prepares for an inevitable invasion. Talks of negotiating with the new alien race are quickly set aside and the thrust of war is placed on the Confederation. Confed, in preparation for war does little to support the remaining factions of the Kilrathi, despite recommendations from mid ranking personnel. The Firekka, frustrated with the efforts of their Confederation allies seek to prepare for defense of their few worlds on their own.

Lieutenant Jason Phire, a lone pilot of the Black Lance forces has been running from his past ever since he took a Dragon Fighter and fled to live the life of a privateer. Ditching his dragon fighter in a battered abandoned outpost, he soon “acquired” a Galaxy class freighter ship named the Gallant. Hooking up with a Pirate Kilrathi Ral ’Gar and two shifty Firekkan merchants Tiik and Rika, whom all simply wanted to live out their lives, away from the glaring eyes of their pasts. It was not to be so.

The ancient enemy was even now starting to test the borders of the Confederation and peer it’s eyes on the first world to conquer and Firekka was to be one of the first. The Firekkans had the pilots but not the resources. The Kilrathi had the technology, but no means to mobilize it. In a mission of desperation The Firekkan government sought to ally themselves with the enemy whom years before would have wiped them out, the Kilrathi. With the crew of the Gallant struggling to fight the inner need to defend their own races, they once again become a part of the fighting they had left so long ago. With a new fleet in production and a secret super fighter called the Phoenix’s Claw Lieutenant Phire and his uncanny team prepare to defend the only home they could ever fight for. Freedom.
 
I would drop the secret super fighter bit. If the Firekkans and Kilrathi are having a hard time of it, I very much doubt they have the resources for UberShips. And if you're refering to the Dragon, it's hardly secret OR super in a post-Prophecy era. Besides, it might be better if it was a story of despiration than anything else, kind of in the spirit of the Freedom Flight novel and SM2 for the original Wing Commander. I would also change a few things around. Exmple: "and the thrust of war is placed on the Confederation." If they're planning for defense against a coming invasion, I don't think "thrust of war" is fitting. I can't really think of a better word ATM, but then again I'm sure you can manage.
 
Yeah, my mention of ditching the uber fighter form before was in reference to the Pheonix Claw (no one but Confed really have the resources to develop an uber fighter and they have been putting their best foot forward with the new line of ships circa Prophecy), but losing the Dragon as psych suggested wouldn't be such a bad idea. As Confed was airing its 'dirty laundry' following the BL incident, I'm sure a top priority on their list was to account for every Dragon fighter out there (not to mention the fact that each are worth a large fortune). I still like the idea that your main character is a former BL, nice dark backstory and a reason for everyone to not trust/to dislike/to hate him (kindof similar to Pilgrim Blair in the WCM) giving him a nice tough road to walk. Otherwise, storyline/basis shows promise.

C-ya
 
Yep

I posted a reply to the Dragon and Uber fighter thing on the Concordia forum. To let you guys know, the Dragon fighter was nothing more than: there's a ship, I take it, ditch it, gon on with my life. The Character Phire in no way uses the Dragon fighter later in the story.

Honestly, I really cannot see why a Kilrathi, Firekkian (Others too...do I have to give away everything?) Can make a Uber fighter. The Kilrathi made a Stealth fighter first and the the ConFed could believe it until it was shoved in their faces. I think the details to the Uber Phoenix's Claw works out. Just give it a chance.
 
LT Fox Fire said:
The Kilrathi made a Stealth fighter first
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Yes, they did, but that was at the peak of their empire. Come post-Prophecy they've had their homeworld exploded by Confed, and who knows how much more ravaged by the Nephilim. And even if they did have a superfighter, you think it wasn't already used (and possibly destroyed) when trying to fend off the Nephilim?
 
I don't understand you....

I never said the Uber fighter was made, designed or even thought of in the pre-Prophecy time so why did you think I meant that? As for the resources, what about the many Kilrathi Barons who had their own power and resources? Not every Kilrathi followed so tightly to the Empire that once Kilrah went, so would they. I believe that the Kilrathi would never send in any new fighter in alone to battle an enemy that even they feared. I also believe that any one Kilrathi with the experience and the pull would use this new fighter as slowly and as strategically as possible. Why would a Baron, looking out for his own clan, bother to defend a shattered home world or a corrupt emperor? I still think my story has merit.
 
well, considering that the superfighter apparently makes an appearance a few months after Prophecy, one would assume that it was designed and thought of in the pre-Prophecy era since it takes years to design, build, test, modify, then emerge with a final product fighter.
Ok, make up your mind . . . one comment seem to suggest that your fighter was built before the end of the Kilrathi War, the others suggests afterwards (actually something that was built by the Kilrathi before the War ended and didn;t get a chance to implement it I could believe. Though it would be far from a superfighter, it would be better than any privateer would have). So we have a Baron whos "looking out for his own clan" and "would never send in any new fighter in alone to battle an enemy that even they feared", yet somehow this great single savior fighter of the new Kilrathi Empire is going to be put into a situation that is in opposition to both of these statements. Either that or the keys are gonna be left in the ignition of this savior of the Kilrathi for our hero to convienently find?
I just really don't believe in superfighters, I believe they detract from WC games/fiction.

C-ya
 
LT Fox Fire said:
I still think my story has merit.
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Ya know, all of those horrible horrible fanfics written by idiots . . . they also thought their stories had merits too :(
 
Why doesn't someone write a really good conspiracy, along the line of Fleet Action, or Stackpole's X-Wing novels. For some reason (duh) intellectual thrillers are much better than just plain combat, (aside from End Run, the only part of that book that wasn't super great was the "Milk Run" part of it.)
This guy could write about his BL pilot, trying to stop a conspiracy within somepart of one of the respected governments to basicly turn themselves over to the Nephilim, or the Mantu, an 18th Kilrathi Empire (It'll happen eventually, a warrior culture must war, besides the Kilrathi are better long term villians than the Bugs.) Through in a pulse pounding naval battle ripped of from a WWII naval battle, and you have Forschten novel (I loved them anyway, just poking fun).
Keep it riveting, keep it moving, and make the characters human, no one wants to read about a superhuman dealing with human issues, especially in WC, takes away from the "This will be our Finest hour", which is basicly what WC is from a story prospective.
Hell I would do it, but everytime I start writing after a few chapters I lose interest.
 
I am really disappointed.

I thought the point of this forum were for people to express an idea based on what they know about the Wing Commander Universe. You people have given me little on the edge of grief and crap about the non-validly of what ever your little group has made their minds on, “The way the Wing Commander Universe MUST be.” You people have viewed my bits of the story I proposed with as much juvenal intelligence as the “teens” you so delight in leaving this forum. You have not ever once viewed my idea in the slightest bit of objectivity, as any good writer should. I was led to believe that the drive here was to display your ideas and gain some critical and constructive comments from so-called experts on the Wing Commander world. You all seem so dead set on your little box view that you seem to view ANY idea outside of it with contempt and teenage like “wisdom”.

If you just want to rant at me and defend your petty little group, well fine. I want no part of a forum or group that cannot even give a person a chance to develop a story before slamming it into a wall. When Honor and Duty Fail, was to be a story of how the alliance of the Kilrathi and the Firekkian race became the focal point in history where the Firekkians would start to become a force to be reckoned with. But NO! Forbid the Kilrathi jump out of the spectrum of the stories you write and hold as cannon and forbid the Firekkans become anything but an unimportant, technological stunted culture that can only fight the enemy in such a limited way. Desperate times call for desperate measures. If we are to be creators of a story, we must seek avenues of conflict, advancements, and change. This was not to be how some Uber fighter piloted by some random super pilot defeats a super enemy, but you all have seemed to have made up your minds to the contrary. Why the hell am I going to tell you the details as to the plot or to the construct, as to how such seemingly impossible events can possibly happen? Let me tell you that to limit a story to such a fanatically narrow-minded view as you all seem to is to, kill any real chance of a story. It may not fit so perfectly into your little box view but I’m sure people will enjoy it, regardless if you don’t. Don’t even bother to reply to me with your inane groupie defense to your set in stone mentality. By all means, hold to the fact that you are all infallible in your critique of any work that slumps through your doorway. You all need to chill out, take a deep breath, and just learn respect and admiration for talent that, although may not be to the god-like status you all hold, has the potential to entertain and inspire.
 
"WC Liberalism" is a disease and you are infected by it. We are the cure, assclown.
 
I never said it would be bad.

Though if I was Firekkian, I don't know if I would trust a species that was willing to commit genocide and rend them and feast on thier entrails.

Ahhhh the Kilrathi, the priestesses wake up and point to the heavens, "That one." And they pounce lol.

Reminds me of the crusades.
 
This isn't the "everyone is lovey-dovey to one another" forum, Fox Fire. We are in no way obligated to respond favorably to your ideas. If you can't stand feedback that doesn't flatter you, that's your problem, not ours.

Toodles.
 
LT Fox Fire said:
You have not ever once viewed my idea in the slightest bit of objectivity, as any good writer should. I was led to believe that the drive here was to display your ideas and gain some critical and constructive comments from so-called experts on the Wing Commander world. You all seem so dead set on your little box view that you seem to view ANY idea outside of it with contempt and teenage like “wisdom”.
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Being dead-set in my little box view, I'll ignore your request not to respond to your silly rant.

You expected what, exactly? That people would tell you that yours is the best idea anybody ever came up with? And when people instead told you that it sounds like an interesting idea but you might need to make some changes, you start ranting about us being dead-set in our views, and lacking objectivity? If you can't step back and try to figure out why people have reservations about your idea, that's your problem - but don't say that we lack objectivity. Your attitude is particularly bizarre considering that nobody ever told you that you should completely abandon your story because it will be the worst fanfic ever. People only complained about one aspect of your story.

Oh, and one more thing:
You all need to chill out, take a deep breath, and just learn respect and admiration for talent that, although may not be to the god-like status you all hold, has the potential to entertain and inspire.
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...That's pretty arrogant, don't you think? You're telling us that we should respect and admire your talent... why exactly? Because you've posted an idea?
 
Fuck Fire

Hey guys,

I apologize upfront (especially to moderators like Death and TC) for what may be uncalled for language, but I took the liberty to edit Fuck Fire's story synopsis for the better. You see, I was initially going to edit his story to make it better, but I realize that I may be "narrow minded" and set on my "little box view" so I decided to be "open minded" and "creative" for a change.

Remember that these changes are legitimate, afterall, as creators of a story, we have to give new "avenues of conflict, advancement, and change". Afterall, "desperate times call for desperate measures". I hope you guys will have learn "respect and talent" for my new interpretation of the story. Afterall, we don't want to be "fanatically narrow minded". Here goes my story and I hope open-minded people like Fuck Fire will appreciate the evolution of change and diversity.


"Several months after the events of WC5, the Confed is in a state of panic. With the reports of the anal raping endured by the Midway and her crew, the Confederation prepares for an inevitable anal invasion of a new alien race. Talks of fornicating with the new alien race are quickly set aside and the (hip) thrust of war is placed on the Confederation. Confed, in preparation for war does little to support the remaining factions of the Kilrathi, despite recommendations from mid ranking prostitutes. The Firekka, frustrated with the efforts of their Confederation allies seek to prepare for defense of their few brothels on their own.

Lieutenant Jason Phire, the lone homosexual of the Black Lance forces, has been running from his past (as a gay porno stuntman) ever since he took a Dragon Fighter and fled to live the life of a gigilo. Ditching his dragon fighter in a battered abandoned brothel, he soon “acquired” a Galaxy class freighter ship named the Genital and converted it into a mobile brothel. Hooking up with a homosexual Kilrathi pirate Ral ’Gar and two lesbian Firekkan merchants Tiik and Rika, whom all simply wanted to live out their loves lives, away from the glaring eyes of their sex clients. It was not to be so.

The ancient enemy was even now starting to test the borders of the Confederation and peer it’s eyes on the first species to deflower and ravish and Firekka was to be one of the first. The Firekkans had the prostitutes but not the resources. The Kilrathi had the condoms, but no means to use it. In a mission of desperation The Firekkan brothel sought to ally themselves with the enemy whom years before would have wiped them out, the Kilrathi. With the crew of the Genital struggling to fight the inner need to defend their own virginity, they once again become a part of the love making they had left so long ago. With a new fleet in production and a secret super fighter called the Phoenix’s Testicles, Lieutenant Phire and his uncanny team prepare to defend the only home they could ever fight for. Free sex."
 
[Digression]

That actually sounds kind of interesting. Sort of like "The Last Virgin in the Entire Universe".
 
I probably should do something admin-y, but I won't. a) too lazy, and b) I thought it was funny

But don't get carried away and go all AYBish with it. Then I'll have to bring out the BanStik™.
 
I hope you get it finished, Psych. That one will be sure to rake in money, even if you don't want to know where the customer's hands have been... :p
 
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