Yeah, that's who I meant. It was midnight and I had just some a weights workout. Didn't know my right from my left. I'd love it if Communism, or more accurately Marxism, was something that worked. And, if you've played Red Alert. having Zofia would be nice too. I try to be that. Objective. Sitting on the fence. The Devil's advocate and personal mercenary, as I like to say. Oh that's great advice, and something that, unfortunetly, many people forget by accident or design in their arguements. Yeah, I have too. It's hard not to, as we have seen. I think I do a lot better job of it than I used to. Yeah, that's pretty much the sort of people I had in mind. The Sociallist Alliance is the name they give themselves, the people I know of. If you haven't heard of them, well, think of the people who shit on the soldiers who fought in Vietnam. I know quite a lot, actually. I have attended some of their anti war protests, and they are similar to the people you mentioned. The Socialist Alliance's motivations is peace by stopping action against terrorism, their main focus at the moment the averted war on Iraq. They claim it's all about oil and how that's their excuse for going to war. This has been debated to death I believe. They also think that countries should not detain people who come to this country illegally, and have actually attacked detention centres to break out these migrants. Now, for the point I was going to make. I attended a Christmas parade with my neice which was very lovely, until there was a float protesting the war on Iraq, which as you know is not a threat at the moment with the weapons inspectors. I was disgusted, but made no move to make my feelings public. Sometime later, I was going over the script for Wing Commander and read how Tolwyn said how the Mandarins had gone from misguided pacisfism to passive treason to outright collaboration. And then yesterday I read in the paper that the group who were protesting war on Iraq had no reason to be in the parade, but they went and did it anyway. Now, there is no denying that these people are pacifists. So that you know, I was as big a pacifist as Evangelion's Maya Ibuki (a big one) before September 11. They do not want war on Iraq. I don't want war either, but I will support it if war has to take place. They do not want actions taken to stop terrorist acts. This view will probably get their heads kicked in, but I respect their right to free speach and would not be the one to do it. What concerns me, however, is when they take that next step. Burning of flags, violent protests, putting themselves in harms way, breaking out illegal immigrants.