Obsolete ships

Discussion in 'General Wing Commander Chat' started by Ladiesman^, Jan 27, 2001.

  1. Roach

    Roach Spaceman

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    Hmmmmm.....Dragon fighter<------->Installation/capship

    duhh. I'd think it would.
    I still prefer a contact warhead. If I have a warhead that powerful, I'll shoot it at something more worthwhile.
     
  2. Master_Anarchist

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    like... oh i dunno... a PLANET maybe?
     
  3. Master_Anarchist

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    carriers last a long time because they can be upgraded (in a way) by the fighters they carry. since carriers are not meant to fight other cap ships it doesnt matter so much about their weaponry and defences, fighters can defend a carrier adequately. usually.
     
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    who would be stupid enough to ram something with a piranha?
     
  5. Master_Anarchist

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    oops. this message is where my favourite link is. so when i load the forum up, it connects to the last page of this message. therefore i see posts that are weeks old, and i reply, so it makes no sense at all

    sorry!!!
     
  6. Bandit LOAF

    Bandit LOAF Long Live the Confederation!

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    Not entirely true -- fighter technology often surpasses their carriers... try launching an F-14 off of a World War II era ship (G)
     
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    Seemed rather useful in nearly every conflict since WW2 that had a naval component...

    Bismarck - an old, near-retirement torpedo bomber crippled its steering gear, allowing British warships to close on it.

    Toronto - British carrier aircraft effectively gutted the Italian navy

    Pearl Harbor - Japanese carrier aircraft knock the crap out of the ships and other equipment based on Oahu, crippling the US Pacific fleet

    Lexington - put out of action by Japanese bombers, later sunk

    Yorktown - crippled by Japanese airpower, the hulk sunk later by a Japanese sub

    Yamato - sunk solely by US airpower

    Musashi - sunk solely by US airpower

    Most of the carriers of the IJN - sunk solely by US airpower

    Oh, and while we're at it, why don't you ask some of the resident Brits how useless those Argentine Mirage fighters and their Exocet missiles were, during that little scuffle around the Falkland Islands almost 2 decades ago.
     
  8. Master_Anarchist

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    the falklands was b4 i was born, but being a brit id like to know what went down, so to speak? what did the argentines sink?
     
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    Except for having the "cat" part of the name, and being by the same manufacturer, "predecessor" is a rather significant stretch of the imaginagion.

    Technically, the A-10 is called the Thunderbolt II, meaning that somewhere between today and 2669, when the T-bolt VII was introduced, there were 4 other craft to use the Thunderbolt name.

    The original Phantom was one of the first practical carrier jet aircraft, serving in Korea during that particular conflict.

    Actually, except for the Devastator (WW2 dive bomber), none of those names have, at least to date (beginning of the 21st century), been used for aircraft. ("vampire", though, is the slang used to refer to incoming missiles, from the appearance of the NTDS [Naval Tactical Data System, IIRC] symbol used to denote a hostile missile.)
     
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    The current plan is for 3 Seawolf-class submarines: the Seawolf (obviously), the Conneticutt (sp?), and the Peanuthead... err, Jimmy Carter. ;)

    After those three are built, there will be no more Seawolf-class submarines. Instead, a new generation of submarines, which are smaller, cheaper, and more specialized than the Seawolf or its predecessor (the Los Angeles-class), both of which were designed for a single great threat, the Soviet Union, and not a bunch of little brush wars. IIRC the new class is to be the Virginia-class, but it's been a while since I've looked, so don't be surprised if I'm incorrect.
     
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    Here's a link:

    http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/war/malvinas.htm

    If memory serves, the Argentines used land-based Air
    power to sink or severely damage 1 destroyer (ISTR the
    Sheffield), 2 frigates, and 1 landing craft. In exchange,
    the RN killed the cruiser Belgrano and some 70-odd
    aircraft. And they got the islands, of course.

    Respectfully,

    Brian P.
     
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    Err... the F-86 Sabre, F2H Banshee, the F9F Panther and the British DH100 Vampire and AW35 Scimitar come to mind (G)
     
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    And the HMS Prince of Wales was sunk by japonese planes very easy since it did not have fighter cover.

    I dont think that the Phanton was in service in the Korea war, the US did not have missiles for aircraft at the time of the Korea conflit (the sidewinder was intruduced in that time, but not before the war started) and I remeber that the 1st "efective" US Navy fighter on korea was based on the Sabre.
     
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    He's talking about the original Phantom.
     
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    oops...
    I Forget that one.
     
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    <Simpson type="Homer">D'OH!</Simpson>

    Shows what happens when you don't engage brain before putting fingers into gear.
     
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    Most of the ships in WC are named after the planes that have/are around. Take the A-10 Thunderbolt II. Has a lot of fire power, same as the Thunderbolt VII.

    Hey, speeking of the A-10. It looks a lot like the Rapier in the movie. I mean, the Rapier in the movie looks a lot like an A-10. The place were the engines are, the gun...
     
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    Actually, only the Scim has not been used for a reasonably well-known craft.

    Saber - F-86, Korean War
    Banshee - short-lived US carrier fighter
    Panther - another short-lived US carrier fighter
    Vampire - British bomber (50's and 60's era, IIRC)
    Devastator - US carrier-borne TORPEDO bomber at the outset of WWII. Was totally obliterated at Midway, where 36 of 41 were lost.

    [Edited by OriginalPhoenix on 02-17-2001 at 14:40]
     
  19. Napoleon

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    The panther was not that short lived, it served effectivly as a fighter/attack craft throughout the Korean Conflict and served in 1 capacity or another into the 1960's
     
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    I was speaking in terms of it being a frontline, primary craft. Compared to such fighters today -- F-14, F-15, F-16, F/A-18, which have all served for over 20 years -- it could be termed short-lived.
     

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