Kilrathi Shipbuilding Debate (cont.)

Could it be that the Dralthi from WC3 and WC4 are not so different? Only Weapon and Armor?

In World War II e.g. the Me-109E and Me-109F were different armed and armored.
And the Drakhri or the Dralthi from Privateer are Fighters based on the original design and strongly modified. In our History, the Mig-21 Fishbed are an example for this: the chinese F-7M Fighter, an experimental Fishbed VTOL based on the Mig-21 or the Sabre 2 ( an chinese project ). The F-16 with the F-16XXL could also be an example.

If's true that this also happend with the Dralthi, were could be more than 7 different Dralthis....
 
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WC1: Dralthi
Freedom Flight: Dralthi II
WC4: Dralthi IV
Privateer: Dralthi VII

These are the ones I have concrete numbers for. I seem to recall that the Armada Dralthi is the Mark III. There's also the WC Movie Dralthi to account for, which would make more sense as the Mark V than the VI.
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Yo, TC, I posted a sensible Dralthi list a few days back...

KF-100 Dralthi: WC Movie
"New" Dralthi: Wing Commander 1
Dralthi Mk. II: Secret Missions 2
Dralthi Mk. III: Armada
Dralthi Mk. IV: Wing Commander III
Dralthi Mk. V: Wing Commander IV
Dralthi Mk. VI: Privateer
Dralthi Mk. VII: Rightous Fire

Let me explain why it's different from yours.

For Confed it is true that a new number designates an entirely new spacecraft. Not so for the Kilrathi -- the Dralthi II is simply a Dralthi I with fairly minor upgrades. Thus it is logical to assume that the WCIII and WCIV Dralthi are different models, as are the Privateer and the Rightous Fire Dralthi (their changes are on the same magnitude as the WC1-SM2 Dralthi/Dralthi II change).

So WC3's Dralthi IV becomes WC4's Dralthi V.

We don't specifically know that the Dralthi VII is the Privateer version -- it could be the Rightous Fire one (we only know that one of 'that style' is the Dralthi VII). Therefore, I made the Dralthi VII the Rightous Fire Dralthi and the VI the Privateer.

I made the movie Dralthi earlier simply because we know it's older than the WC1 and SM2 Dralthi... so it wouldn't be sinsible to make it the Dralthi VI or the Dralthi VIII or somesuch. It's just the "KF-100 Dralthi", and fits with Paladins WC1 comments about "new Dralthi".

I don't know about the broadsword, I don't remember ever being given the chance to fly very far with it so how do we know its range?? I agree about the field kit but gemini just wasn't important enough to field signifigant numbers of the valuable cloaks I don't think..
And what little bit of arcane lore did you dredge the second priv expansion detail from?
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You're supposed to be able to jump only once in a Broadsword before having to refuel (remember the Valdez from WC2?), but you can actually do it *twice* before your fuel gauge is completely empty.

I think I posted a picture of the Privateer Strakha a fwe days back... <G>

A Dralthi VII with Cloak would be a truly frightning thought, a long-range fighter with the endurence of a corvette and the stealth of a Strakha...
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... but the Kilrathi did have long-range stealth spy-ships. We see them in Fleet Action and in WC3.

(The Dralthi IV could be upgraded with a cloak -- no evidence that the VII can be...).

Do you have a description of the dralthi 2 from Freedom Flight that you can post?
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It's the Dralthi you fly in Secret Missions 2.

*happens to resemble the Dralthi* more than visually on the entirety of the bent-wing models... ergo I hold that either the entirety of the bent pancakes are either dralthi or not dralthi and somewhere in there is a misclassification. Yes, im bored and have too much time on my hands...
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The Drakhri looks no more like a Dralthi than does the Gothri or the Grakhi. It's simily a simlar looking fighter -- but clearly *not* the same class...
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
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Feel like we just took a huge jump back in this LOAF? Save for the drakhri question that is.

One thing on the Dralthi KF-100, some of your arguement makes sense but the movie was stated to and does incorporate elements of win1, 2, and 3. Dosen't that make pinning it down a bit hard. Personally that is why I ignore the movie as far as WC timelines go

You're supposed to be able to jump only once in a Broadsword before having to refuel (remember the Valdez from WC2?), but you can actually do it *twice* before your fuel gauge is completely empty.

I think I posted a picture of the Privateer Strakha a fwe days back... <G>
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Ahhhhh yes, that does percolate some half dead memory engram. Good point. I saw your priv strakha but were there stats? and where did you hear about it and the second expansion?


The Drakhri looks no more like a Dralthi than does the Gothri or the Grakhi. It's simily a simlar looking fighter -- but clearly *not* the same class...
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As much as it pains me I am forced to completely agree with LOAF here,<G> from a distance an f-15 looks like several fighters right now but the differences are apparent when you actually look at the design. That and I think(I really need to keep my notes near the cpu) that the Drakhri are imperial guard and as such it makes sense they have their own class of fighter.
 
Originally posted by phoenix_aod
One thing on the Dralthi KF-100, some of your arguement makes sense but the movie was stated to and does incorporate elements of win1, 2, and 3. Dosen't that make pinning it down a bit hard. Personally that is why I ignore the movie as far as WC timelines go
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Wow, except it isn't hard to pin down at all, because it takes place before the first game, and the movie ship's history is explained in the Confed Handbook...

TC
 
Originally posted by TC


Wow, except it isn't hard to pin down at all, because it takes place before the first game, and the movie ship's history is explained in the Confed Handbook...

TC
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I understand that, I even have the book, but I just don't like trying to incorporate the movie into wc as a whole it fubars it more than a bit, reminds me of star treks timeline warping. Good movie just shouldn't have been called wing commander in my opinion
 
One thing on the Dralthi KF-100, some of your arguement makes sense but the movie was stated to and does incorporate elements of win1, 2, and 3. Dosen't that make pinning it down a bit hard. Personally that is why I ignore the movie as far as WC timelines go
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I think you're unclear on just what 'incorporates elements of' means -- the movie incorporates elements of WC1, 2 and 3 in the same sense that 'Action Stations' does... somebody giving an interview to plug a movie doesn't give a flying pug about timelines -- they just know that the movie has characters introdiced in WC1 and 2 and 3 and so forth. Tolwyn being in a WC movie contradicts nothing.

The movie very clearly takes place in March, 2654 -- it's very, very easy to place in a timeline.

Ahhhhh yes, that does percolate some half dead memory engram. Good point. I saw your priv strakha but were there stats? and where did you hear about it and the second expansion?
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It's just one of those projects that never got finished/released... it was actually on Babbages 'upcoming games' list until Privateer CD got released.
 
Originally posted by phoenix_aod

(...) That and I think(I really need to keep my notes near the cpu) that the Drakhri are imperial guard and as such it makes sense they have their own class of fighter.
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You're thinking of the Drakhai which can fly pretty any class of fighters.
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF


The movie very clearly takes place in March, 2654 -- it's very, very easy to place in a timeline.
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I understand that but I don't remember skippers being tested till o 69 its the little things like that plus others that make me dislike trying to incorporate it
 
You are talking about two different things. The difference between the Skippers of the movie and the Skippers of WC3 and beyond is the same difference between the versions of the Strakha fighters. WIth the Strakha, the WC3 version is the production model, and the WCA one is a prototype. The same thing with the missles. The movie Skippers are the late-beta prototype of the Skippers we see in the games.
 
Originally posted by phoenix_aod

I understand that but I don't remember skippers being tested till o 69 its the little things like that plus others that make me dislike trying to incorporate it
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How can you possibly not remember skippers being tested before 2669? You see it right there in the movie.
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF


How can you possibly not remember skippers being tested before 2669? You see it right there in the movie.
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amusing<G>. BTW would you know the email(if any) of EA/ORIGIN's legal department?
 
Originally posted by phoenix_aod


amusing<G>. BTW would you know the email(if any) of EA/ORIGIN's legal department?
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I have a phone number for the rep I've worked with before. I can contact them about something if you like.
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF


I have a phone number for the rep I've worked with before. I can contact them about something if you like.
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I am compiling an rpg and am already talking with Wizkids LTD about rights for using the Mechwarrior Thrid Edition RPG. I was just wondering if I could find out if I could get rights to make it official rpg or if I'm banging my head on the wall and need to change the names and all to protect the legal issues
 
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I know tabletop rpgs arent common anyhmore but to just not respond??? Howwude<G>
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... I haven't replied to many posts recently -- I've been busy.

If you're trying to sell something, you'll almost certainly need an agent first...
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF


... I haven't replied to many posts recently -- I've been busy.

If you're trying to sell something, you'll almost certainly need an agent first...
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All I'm trying to do right now is see if they are even willing to allow me to plunk the WC name on an RPG. I'm still working on the RPG system rights(been forwarded to FANPRO) and have still to beta test the rules for balance. I'm just trying to see if they're gonna want to much, don't want to liscence, or just want to tell me to go to hell. Course if its the latter I'll prolly just change the names/faces/places since I've dumped this much into it.
 
Originally posted by phoenix_aod

All I'm trying to do right now is see if they are even willing to allow me to plunk the WC name on an RPG. I'm still working on the RPG system rights(been forwarded to FANPRO) and have still to beta test the rules for balance. I'm just trying to see if they're gonna want to much, don't want to liscence, or just want to tell me to go to hell. Course if its the latter I'll prolly just change the names/faces/places since I've dumped this much into it.
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Well... err, no, they won't -- if it's something you want to sell, you'll have to *license* the rights from EA.
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF


Well... err, no, they won't -- if it's something you want to sell, you'll have to *license* the rights from EA.
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I understand why you said that but please give me some credit. Thats what I'm trying to find out, can I get liscense to use the WC shit or not and how much are they looking for?
 
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