Kilrathi Shipbuilding Debate (cont.)

I don't notice any significant differences between the WCIII&P models...
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Except he was talking about the WCIII and Privateer models.

And how did you even manage to screw up the automatic quote tags?
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF


It's not necessarily an evolutionary process, though -- round Dralthi are just a different type...
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rather interesting that the VII is not the front line model...That would support you here..Perhaps the difference is more front line vs second line?
 
Originally posted by phoenix_aod

rather interesting that the VII is not the front line model...That would support you here..Perhaps the difference is more front line vs second line?
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Who said the VII isn't a front line model? We've seen only a few of an insanely large number of battles in the Kilrathi war. There's room for a hell of a lot of ships in a war where there are trillions killed...

TC
 
Originally posted by TC


Who said the VII isn't a front line model? We've seen only a few of an insanely large number of battles in the Kilrathi war. There's room for a hell of a lot of ships in a war where there are trillions killed...

TC
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an admittedly assumed opindioined but based on the fact that mkIVs were launching from the Hvar'Khan(sp?) I think the Prince, of all Kilrathi, would have the front line model flying off his flagship
 
Originally posted by phoenix_aod

an admittedly assumed opindioined but based on the fact that mkIVs were launching from the Hvar'Khan(sp?) I think the Prince, of all Kilrathi, would have the front line model flying off his flagship
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Not mutually exclusive -- there's no rule that says two different variants of a fighter can't be front line models.
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF


Not mutually exclusive -- there's no rule that says two different variants of a fighter can't be front line models.
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I suppose thats true and even more so when both sides have ground each other down for decades but the VII just seems like a flying kill score waiting to happen compared to the terran front line hellcats, arows, and thunderbolts. Course many a battle is lost by underestimating someone.
 
Originally posted by phoenix_aod


I suppose thats true and even more so when both sides have ground each other down for decades but the VII just seems like a flying kill score waiting to happen compared to the terran front line hellcats, arows, and thunderbolts. Course many a battle is lost by underestimating someone.
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Except it's apparently capable of operating independantly without a carrier... and it mounts a Fusion Gun, one of the most impressive guns developed in the last years of the war...
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF


Except it's apparently capable of operating independantly without a carrier... and it mounts a Fusion Gun, one of the most impressive guns developed in the last years of the war...
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actually it is capable of operating at range from its carrier or base, jump drives on fighters have limited range. As for the gun, not much compensation for the armor me thinks. But that is more my stlye, big tanks that take and dish out damage...probably why I like the boradsword best..

BTW about the broadsword, I don't have my wc2 silouette chart is the ship database correct in that its 100tonnes?
 
Of course being able to hit hard and avoid being hit back more than makes up for weaker armor. Too bad the AI wasn't good enough to capitalize on it.

The ship database is right about the Broadsword weighing in at 100 tons. That's more than four times as much as the Longbow in WC3. Must take up a hell of a lot of hangar space.
 
Originally posted by phoenix_aod

actually it is capable of operating at range from its carrier or base, jump drives on fighters have limited range. As for the gun, not much compensation for the armor me thinks. But that is more my stlye, big tanks that take and dish out damage...probably why I like the boradsword best..
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No, this is why the Dralthi VII is more unique -- it's the Kilrathi equivalent of something like the Centurion... a mercenary style fighter that can work inside enemy lines for extended periods.
 
A cloakdevice isn't cheap... and the VII has been only produced at the end of the war...

I think they prefered quantity to quality...

John
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF


No, this is why the Dralthi VII is more unique -- it's the Kilrathi equivalent of something like the Centurion... a mercenary style fighter that can work inside enemy lines for extended periods.
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I don't know about your version of privateer but on mine I have to land every few jumps cause I ran out of fuel for the drive, I can see that possibly the kilrathi would have a few outposts for this inside confed territory but not enough. The VII will still need a base of ops. As for the cloaker question how about the fact that the kilrathi only had a very few designs fielding the cloaking device and all were of the stealth fighter class. Also the Gemini sector was on the fringe of the front, most of the rare and valuable stealth were in hot front line zones
 
Exactly -- compare the amount of jumps you can make in a Centurion to the number of jumps you can make in a Broadsword... it's significantly higher. A Dralthi VII could raid far deeper into Confed space and return safely than a carrier based spacecraft...

Stealth technology was very rare, which is why we don't see it in Privateer (although it would have shown up in the second addon...). It wasn't just limited to the few stealth and cloak fighters, though -- towards the very end the Kilrathi had a field kit that could be mounted on the various WC3 fighters...
 
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
Exactly -- compare the amount of jumps you can make in a Centurion to the number of jumps you can make in a Broadsword... it's significantly higher. A Dralthi VII could raid far deeper into Confed space and return safely than a carrier based spacecraft...

Stealth technology was very rare, which is why we don't see it in Privateer (although it would have shown up in the second addon...). It wasn't just limited to the few stealth and cloak fighters, though -- towards the very end the Kilrathi had a field kit that could be mounted on the various WC3 fighters...
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I don't know about the broadsword, I don't remember ever being given the chance to fly very far with it so how do we know its range?? I agree about the field kit but gemini just wasn't important enough to field signifigant numbers of the valuable cloaks I don't think..
And what little bit of arcane lore did you dredge the second priv expansion detail from?
 
A Dralthi VII with Cloak would be a truly frightning thought, a long-range fighter with the endurence of a corvette and the stealth of a Strakha...l
 
How does the Drakhri fit into the line of Dralthi fighters? The WC2 model is amazingly similar to the WC1 Dralthi with downswept wings (even to the engine assembly). It seems like the Dralthi XI/XII are remodeled "drakhri" with upgraded engines and endurance, trading a dumbfire for far better armor and fuel. Is it possible that the Drakhri is actually a misclassification of an early model Dralthi (3?) and that the 6/7 models are actually refits of this earlier model, differing by armament and other modifications made privateer-style but not actually creating a new class? Also note that the Academy Dralthi on the cover (at least of the chinese version...) is oddly similar to that of the Privateer versions, and this may provide clues as to release date... and that again the WC4 Dralthi is identical to the WC3 Dralthi in all but the gun arrangements (perhaps a field refit to take advantage of the high-power weapons released by the disarmament).

I may likely be wrong, but I'd imagine a Dralthi progression something like this:
WC1: Dralthi (SM-2 is an "A" or "B" variant)
WC2: Dralthi 2 (AKA Drakhri)
WC Academy: Dralthi 2 A (stats unknown, so cant be certain of this)
WC Armada: Dralthi 3
Privateer/RF: Dralthi 2-Refit (includes all field modifications made to raider craft)
WC3: Dralthi 4
WC4: Dralthi 4-A
WCP: Dralthi 4-B

Changes in model number indicate significant structural change... letters indicate subclasses with similar Y/P/R, armor, speed to the others in the same model.

The Dralthi 2-Refit could be stripped down with fuel replacing the missing missile and set up for easy use of salvaged parts (there seems to be an armor band over the engines for extra protection, and all equipment appears to be able to drop out the bottom of the craft with little to no other disassembly) and extra fuel in the blisters. If the Dralthi-4 is any indication (and im not a raving lunatic) the Dralthi series also appears to be able to handle a wide range of short-notice refits and changes (perhaps another reason they keep it around). Perhaps the D-4 isnt as accomodating to changes other than weapons because of the equipment for atmospheric flight.
 
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Originally posted by Chernikov
How does the Drakhri fit into the line of Dralthi fighters?
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It doesn't. It's just another fighter that begins with 'D' and happens to resemble the Dralthi.
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*happens to resemble the Dralthi* more than visually on the entirety of the bent-wing models... ergo I hold that either the entirety of the bent pancakes are either dralthi or not dralthi and somewhere in there is a misclassification. Yes, im bored and have too much time on my hands...:rolleyes:
 
It's more like this...

WC1: Dralthi
Freedom Flight: Dralthi II
WC4: Dralthi IV
Privateer: Dralthi VII

These are the ones I have concrete numbers for. I seem to recall that the Armada Dralthi is the Mark III. There's also the WC Movie Dralthi to account for, which would make more sense as the Mark V than the VI.

TC
 
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