I must be nuts.

BarFly

Rear Admiral
The Darkening

Hello,

one thing I really hated in 'The Darkening'. You can't jump if an enemy shows up on the radar. And they never jump out. The frighter you are escorting jumps out and you stick at the place, because there is a pirate 1500 clicks away <grrrr>. This was imho the fun killing point. I also used just 4 of ships. The ship you are starting with, the Shaman (english name?) was a bargain, the Drakkar and of course the Freji MKII.
What I liked at the Game:
With the big Freighter (Monolith?) you got an excellent Wingman. I also liked the Story and the movies.
 

Edfilho

Cry some more!
Anyway, LOAF used a word that sums it all: Setting. Even in its inception, Priv2 was supposed to happen in a different setting. Kinda like FF games did until now. Final Fantasy 8 is surely a 100% Final Fantasy game, even though it's on a completely different setting. Actually, FF games have more in common than Priv and Priv2: Moogles, Cid, Chocobos, Airships, black mages, names of spells, complicated magic systems...

The infinitely respawning (or "jumping") pirates were really annoying, but if you got fed up with them, you just needed to fly away until they disapeared from you radar. It took a long time, BTW.

I loved the Shaman, it had the best costeffectiveness for quite a long time in the game, especially considering how long it took to gather a decent amount of money. I just missed some of the interactiveness of priv in Darkening, no one to talk in most bars, no friendly chit chat with militias and frighters in space.

But the random missions and the Radio missions were great. The art direction was quite good too, and several ship designs appear very similar to some of StarLancer's, I guess some of the designers worked on both games (I know Priv2 is older than SL).

The ship equipment was cool, and the news and data bank were great. I found it really cool to have to search for info on story elements on the DB to find out where to find my next story objective. The journal was pretty helpfull, too.

I believe that a "true" sequel to priv would have been quite different, both in concept, excution and art direction. Not necessarely BETTER, just very different.
 

Bandit LOAF

Long Live the Confederation!
No, I didn't. Wing Commander and Wing Commander 2 have different settings - that doesn't make them entirely unrelated.

(My issue was with the respawning, not with the inability to jump - afterall, the "minijumps" in Privateer replace autopilot... which had the same limitation. You could still use Privateer 2's jump tunnels when enemy fighters were around, just like you could still jump from system to system in P1.)
 

Edfilho

Cry some more!
I think we have different magnitudes for this word then. The setting is the universe, for me. I.e. WCU is the setting for All WC games, Earth and Brittania with its related worlds and continents are the setting of all Ultima games. But in FF you have completelly unrelated worlds, both in space and time.

You consider setting to be the specific locus in both space and time, even if both events take place in the same universe and timeline.

Both definitions are correct, they just consider a larger or a smaller degree.
 

Bandit LOAF

Long Live the Confederation!
No, yours is just horribly wrong. You'd never, ever, answer the question "So, where is your story set?" with "Oh, the setting is the universe!"
 

LeHah

212 Squadron - "The Old Man's Eyes And Ears"
"Only the universe could hold adventure this big!" </Masters Of The Universe>
 

Bandit LOAF

Long Live the Confederation!
Ed's terminology helps the 'Wing Commander movie is canon' argument, though... the posters specifically say that it takes place at the edge of the universe! :)
 

Delance

Victory, you say?
Some sources also stated that the Kilrathi wanted to DESTROY the universe. Quite the nihilists, aren't they?

Ed makes a fairly good point with the FF analogy. Priv2 is part of the WCU, but it's on a "place" that has little to no connection of time and space to Confed, besides a few easter eggs. It isn't know exactly when or where it is.
 

Edfilho

Cry some more!
You know, LOAF, for someone so enlightened and wise, you sometimes came through as being quite dense. You know exactly what I'm talking about when I say universe. Let us debate something like adults at least once, shall we?

My use of the word "setting" is perfectly reasonable. For instance, people call the different universes of Dungeons & Dragons "Campaing Settings".

"Setting" means simply the geographical and temporal backdrop of a story. We both used the word in the exact same way, the only difference being the "scale" of this backdrop. I just considered the setting to be all of WCU, and you saw the WCU as being composed of several settings. it's just that.
 

Bandit LOAF

Long Live the Confederation!
You're confusing *setting*, a very specific piece of data, with *background*, which is the general all-encompassing information set. The *settings* of Wing Commander I and II are different, but their *background* is the same.

(This would all seem petty and pointless, except that you were the one who claimed that my use of 'setting' proved your point initially... I don't ordinarilly like or need to play grammar Nazi.)
 

Edfilho

Cry some more!
I'm not "confusing" it, setting can be used both ways.

But I never said I DISAGREED with you. I'm just saying I misunderstood you sentence. And that I now understand what you mean. I'm not trying to prove anything.
 

Edfilho

Cry some more!
BTW, I had checked this same site before answering you before, and I found this:

set·ting
n.
...
1. a. The context and environment in which a situation is set; the background.

So, both synonims.

Just to settle the matter: LOAF's early post in which he mentions settings does not prove my point.
case closed.
 

Delance

Victory, you say?
Bandit LOAF said:
Privateer 2 does have an established date - 2790 (G)

A.D.? Where does it say that? Now I kinda remember a date, but not where it's from.

As for the "where" question, no idea.
 

Bandit LOAF

Long Live the Confederation!
So, both synonims.

They're certainly not synonyms - background and setting are two different aspects of writing (they're certainly related terms, but they do not mean the same thing).


That's dumb - how much fiction would you insist on including the 'AD' (or... CE... or whatever it is now) in? There certainly aren't any big "WING COMMANDER II ISN'T AFTER WING COMMANDER I BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY AD IN THE STARDATE!" discussions. It's a stupid, stupid double standard.

Where does it say that? Now I kinda remember a date, but not where it's from.

Dates come from the various 'database' entries (the specific 2790 date doesn't show up until after you've unlocked some of the character bios - but all of the Tri-System history stuff is given in similar dates.)

As for the "where" question, no idea.

The Tri-System, which is (to quote Origin's own FAQ), an isolated section of the Wing Commander universe. The Tri-System is not currently a part of the Confederation.
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Edfilho

Cry some more!
LOAF said:
So, both synonims.

They're certainly not synonyms - background and setting are two different aspects of writing (they're certainly related terms, but they do not mean the same thing).

Only in your head. The link you posted states otherwise. Maybe some writting course you took taught you that "setting" and "background" are different things (kinda like the difference between tactical and strategic), but that's not a rule or a fact. These words are synonyms, in the dictionary and in daily life.
 

Bandit LOAF

Long Live the Confederation!
Grrr. Go read the definitions again. A *setting* is as specific as possible, while a *background* is a general, inclusive term. They *can* be the same thing (if, say, I tell one story set in one place without providing any additional background)... but they aren't synonyms.
 

RFBurns

Spaceman
Sometimes political correctness tends to overstrech the simplicity of things that are meant to be simple. In turn causing more confusion than necessary.

Both words can have more than one meaning. It depends on the application or circumstances for the given situation. Not everyone is going to follow the same interpretation for a given word per the situation at hand...its a matter of the circumstances at a given moment.

The word "setting" could mean an adjustment of controls or lines of code in a program. It can also be used to generally describe surroundings, like "it is so quiet here, it is a perfect "setting" for our naptime".

Background falls into this more than one meaning catagory as well. One could interpret this word to describe a person's history, or a thing's history. Or the word can be used to describe something used in a movie set, or used to describe someone's experience in a given situation, such as standing on a hilltop looking at a vally with the sun setting in the "background".

Its all a matter of preception and given circumstance....not just limited to what is written in some dictionary or taught in a class. Words can have completely different meanings dispite what is written in the books.
 

psych

Destroyer of assclowns
Someone's evoking the "Difference of opinion" get-out-of-jail-card again :(

"I'm not wrong, I just have different opinions in how the word inteprets to me! Respect my diversity in the name of tolerance!"
 
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