How did the Sivar whack that colony again?

Ghost

Emperor
The Sivar uses a PTC type weapon (the PTC was based in Sivar´s weapon) that is very slow, it was made specially to destroy stationary (or very slow targets) objects like cities.
 

Rexmaster

Spaceman
Originally posted by Nemesis
The Kilrathi termed it a "proton accelerator gun".

Confed salvaged it from the wreck of Sivar and modified the system.

10 years later it was installed on TCS Concordia. Therefore the Concordia was the most powerful ship.

Nevertheless I was wondering, why there was never a second Sivar!
 

TCSTigersClaw

Greek Special Forces B' Company "Naoussa" 2007-200
I thought all the Confederation Class dreadnoughts had a Phase Transit Cannon.......Or is that different from the Proton Acceleretor gun the Concordia had ?
 
Confed salvaged it from the wreck of Sivar and modified the system. 10 years later it was installed on TCS Concordia. Therefore the Concordia was the most powerful ship.

hmmm, that's actually a pretty cool thought... but probobaly false :(
 

Preacher

Swabbie
Banned
Originally posted by Rexmaster

Nevertheless I was wondering, why there was never a second Sivar!

...Because they saw what happened to the second "Death Star", and took heed! :p
 

TCSTigersClaw

Greek Special Forces B' Company "Naoussa" 2007-200
Originally posted by TCSTigersClaw
I thought all the Confederation Class dreadnoughts had a Phase Transit Cannon.......Or is that different from the Proton Acceleretor gun the Concordia had ?

What about that ?
 
I thought all the Confederation Class dreadnoughts had a Phase Transit Cannon.......Or is that different from the Proton Acceleretor gun the Concordia had ?

I think you're right there, all Confederation Class' had the phase transit cannon... the Concordia's wasn't the ACTUAL gun, the technology was just derived from the salvaged kilrathi weapon.
 

Shaggy

Vice Admiral
Back to the topic at hand..
If I understand the question correctly, the colony in question is Goddard. The Sivar class dreadnought, according to Secret Missions 1, was specially designed to carry a new cannon which, when fired on a planet, would increase that planet's gravitational pull three to four hundred times it's normal level. Thereby crushing everything and everyone on the surface under their own increased weight.
 

Bandit LOAF

Long Live the Confederation!
Yoaf all,

Lemme try and clear up some confusion.

The Sivar mounted a "Proton Accelerator Gun" (informally "Graviton Weapon"). It fired a bolt visually similar to that of a particle cannon at a target, causing a small explosion. The target's protons are then accelerated, causing a 137 fold increase in gravity... crushing the target (leading to secondary explosions and such). The PAG functions on a planetary scale -- destroying entire cities, installations, colonies, etc. Also of note is the fact that, by its nature, the Proton Accelerator Gun completely ignores artificial (phase and meson) shields.

The Kilrathi used the weapon to destroy their installations in the Warhammer System... and then mounted it onboard the Sivar, which destroyed the human colony at Goddard (and we all know how that story ended).

After the Sivar was destroyed (on 2655.199), Confed salvaged the weapon and quickly developed their own version: the Phase Transit Cannon. The PTC is a tradeoff compared to its Kilrathi ancestor: it does far less damage, but can be used against moving capital ships.

Wanting to put the weapon into service as soon as possible, Confed quickly redesigned their Concordia SuperCruiser replacement, basing it around the PTC. That same year the first hulls for the Confederation-class dreadnought, with the PTC as its keel, were layed down. They began entering line service in 2660 (with the Concordia herself coming on line in 2661).

Does this make the Concordia the 'most powerful ship'? Certainly not -- the PTC didn't really work very well. It was discovered that it had a tendency to heat up and explode rather than fire at an enemy ship... so production of the Confederation class ceased in 2665, and use of the weapon (for the most part -- you all know the exception) was halted.

Why aren't there any more Sivars? A few notes...

* There technically are -- the same hull is used as a standard dreadnought (sans-PAG), and a smaller pocket-carrier version is also known to exist. There's also another, earlier dreadnought called Sivar by the Kilrathi.

* In 2655 Task Force Delta, lead by the Tiger's Claw, attacked and destroyed the facilities where the Sivar was fitted with the PAG, seriously setting back production.

* All that said and done, Confed believes the Kilrathi *did* continue to produce PAG-mounted Sivar class ships (Joan's 2664 Update)... but that instances of their use against humans are simply unrecorded or non-existence.
 

junior

Spaceman
Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
Why aren't there any more Sivars? A few notes...

* There technically are -- the same hull is used as a standard dreadnought (sans-PAG), and a smaller pocket-carrier version is also known to exist. There's also another, earlier dreadnought called Sivar by the Kilrathi.

* In 2655 Task Force Delta, lead by the Tiger's Claw, attacked and destroyed the facilities where the Sivar was fitted with the PAG, seriously setting back production.

* All that said and done, Confed believes the Kilrathi *did* continue to produce PAG-mounted Sivar class ships (Joan's 2664 Update)... but that instances of their use against humans are simply unrecorded or non-existence.

Something like the Sivar could also be a very dangerous ship - for the Kilrathi. IMHO, it would actually be more useful as the bait for a trap than it would in a planetary destruction role. There's no way that Confed would allow one even remotely close to the front lines for fear that it would reach weapons range of one of its colonies. An appearance by one of these would probably provoke such a harsh Confed response that the Kilrathi would only be able to use it once before losing it - not exactly the most cost effective way of handling things.
 

Nemesis

Spaceman
Wanting to put the weapon into service as soon as possible, Confed quickly redesigned their Concordia SuperCruiser replacement, basing it around the PTC.

Wasn’t it the replacement for the Bengal-Class (based on the reference in TCH), originally scheduled to enter service in 2657?
 

Bandit LOAF

Long Live the Confederation!
Originally posted by Nemesis
Wasn’t it the replacement for the Bengal-Class (based on the reference in TCH), originally scheduled to enter service in 2657?

... yes. But that's neither here or there.
 

junior

Spaceman
Originally posted by Chernikov
Has anyone produced a visualization of the PAG in action? Firing/effects/oops-we-forgot-to-turn-on-the-cooling?

Not that I'm aware of. Since it only really directly impacts the plot once (and off-screen, at that), and is never used again, its not something that you're likely to see ever depicted.
 

Wulf

Vice Admiral
In End Run, IIRC, there were Sivar-class dreadnaughts almost complete and ready to go in the construction facilities on the moon of Kilrah. These were destroyed by marines off of the TCS Tarawa.
 

Haesslich

Spaceman
Originally posted by Wulf
In End Run, IIRC, there were Sivar-class dreadnaughts almost complete and ready to go in the construction facilities on the moon of Kilrah. These were destroyed by marines off of the TCS Tarawa.

They only mentioned carriers there, ones that were referenced in Fleet Action... as being the reserve strength which would let the Kilrathi end the war in a year.
 

junior

Spaceman
Originally posted by Wulf
In End Run, IIRC, there were Sivar-class dreadnaughts almost complete and ready to go in the construction facilities on the moon of Kilrah. These were destroyed by marines off of the TCS Tarawa.

Was that a Sivar class dreadnaught? Or was it a Sivar class dreadnought? The spelling of the last syllable is very important. One is a small ship wrapped around a planet killing gun, while the other is a 22km long super vessel.
 
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