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Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
Here goes...
Hakaga
Class: Heavy Carrier
Length: 1,580 meters
Mass: 250,000 tonnes
Max Velocity: 100 kps (est)
Cruise Velocity: 50 kps (est)
Acceleration: Poor
Max Y/P/R: 1/1/1 dps
Guns-
(32) Quad Mass Driver Turrets
(16) Neutron Batteries
(16) Laser Batteries
Missiles-
(6) Gating Anti-Torpedo Launch Tubes
Fore Shield: Phase Shield (New Version)
Aft Shield: Phase Shield (New Version)
Fore Armor: 1,500 cm
Aft Armor: 1,500 cm
Side Armor: 1,500 cm
Jump Capable: Yes
Fighters: 288 in 6 bays
Number Built: 12
Ships-
KIS Craxtha (Crippled)
KIS Hagku'ka (Destroyed)
KIS Hakaga (Destroyed)
KIS Ha'Tukag (Destroyed)
KIS Tarvakh (Crippled)
+ 7 more Hakaga class carriers were close to completion at the close of the Kilrathi War.
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Long live the Confederation,
Ben "Bandit" Lesnick
( loaf@wcnews.com - 302228)
The Wing Commander CIC
"You go, LOAF! Get some!" -JPG
Bombardez les Ptitard!
Hakaga
Class: Heavy Carrier
Length: 1,580 meters
Mass: 250,000 tonnes
Max Velocity: 100 kps (est)
Cruise Velocity: 50 kps (est)
Acceleration: Poor
Max Y/P/R: 1/1/1 dps
Guns-
(32) Quad Mass Driver Turrets
(16) Neutron Batteries
(16) Laser Batteries
Missiles-
(6) Gating Anti-Torpedo Launch Tubes
Fore Shield: Phase Shield (New Version)
Aft Shield: Phase Shield (New Version)
Fore Armor: 1,500 cm
Aft Armor: 1,500 cm
Side Armor: 1,500 cm
Jump Capable: Yes
Fighters: 288 in 6 bays
Number Built: 12
Ships-
KIS Craxtha (Crippled)
KIS Hagku'ka (Destroyed)
KIS Hakaga (Destroyed)
KIS Ha'Tukag (Destroyed)
KIS Tarvakh (Crippled)
+ 7 more Hakaga class carriers were close to completion at the close of the Kilrathi War.
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Long live the Confederation,
Ben "Bandit" Lesnick
( loaf@wcnews.com - 302228)
The Wing Commander CIC
"You go, LOAF! Get some!" -JPG
Bombardez les Ptitard!
Death's Head
Spaceman
It said they were concealed and armored didn't it?
The ER cover seems to give a reasonable idea what a CVE might look like. I wish I had a cd model for the Tarawa, anyway the ship in FA looks more like a Ralari than a carrier.
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There's only one thing more accurate than incoming fire-friendly fire
The ER cover seems to give a reasonable idea what a CVE might look like. I wish I had a cd model for the Tarawa, anyway the ship in FA looks more like a Ralari than a carrier.
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There's only one thing more accurate than incoming fire-friendly fire
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Death's Head:
It said they were concealed and armored didn't it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, they were *inside* the ship about 50 or so meters from the ending of the ship, and there were durasteel doors that could be used to cover the engines, and later could be blown off if they wouldn't open.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR>The ER cover seems to give a reasonable idea what a CVE might look like. I wish I had a cd model for the Tarawa, anyway the ship in FA looks more like a Ralari than a carrier.
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Yeah, I think it looks like a Ralari too. And the CVE looks a little like the Confederation IMO.
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A good soldier is not the one who die for his country, it's the one who makes his enemy die for his.
Gen. Patton
It said they were concealed and armored didn't it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, they were *inside* the ship about 50 or so meters from the ending of the ship, and there were durasteel doors that could be used to cover the engines, and later could be blown off if they wouldn't open.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR>The ER cover seems to give a reasonable idea what a CVE might look like. I wish I had a cd model for the Tarawa, anyway the ship in FA looks more like a Ralari than a carrier.
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Yeah, I think it looks like a Ralari too. And the CVE looks a little like the Confederation IMO.
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A good soldier is not the one who die for his country, it's the one who makes his enemy die for his.
Gen. Patton
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Raider:
Earthworm: I meant that all of them were either destroyed or crippled.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Three were destroyed near Earth, and one was cripled during the battle of Sirius I belive, and the last one in Terra space was also heavily damaged, but wasn't in as bad shape as the one from Sirius.
It's still only five of them though, we don't even know if the other seven were finished. And it's not like they were destroyed because of any design flaws or anything, but because of Thrak's ignorance, as well as not sending the full fleet of the carriers to Earth as originaly planned. And they weren't destroyed by any fighters or capships, but by marines, which is somewhat unusual.
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A good soldier is not the one who die for his country, it's the one who makes his enemy die for his.
Gen. Patton
[This message has been edited by Earthworm (edited February 25, 2000).]
Earthworm: I meant that all of them were either destroyed or crippled.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Three were destroyed near Earth, and one was cripled during the battle of Sirius I belive, and the last one in Terra space was also heavily damaged, but wasn't in as bad shape as the one from Sirius.
It's still only five of them though, we don't even know if the other seven were finished. And it's not like they were destroyed because of any design flaws or anything, but because of Thrak's ignorance, as well as not sending the full fleet of the carriers to Earth as originaly planned. And they weren't destroyed by any fighters or capships, but by marines, which is somewhat unusual.
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A good soldier is not the one who die for his country, it's the one who makes his enemy die for his.
Gen. Patton
[This message has been edited by Earthworm (edited February 25, 2000).]
Speaking of FA, who are the characters on the cover?
Sorry, forget it. I screwed up
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"Hey, leader, why us?"
"Because we're here, lads, because we're here."
-Action Stations
[This message has been edited by Primate (edited February 26, 2000).]
Sorry, forget it. I screwed up
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"Hey, leader, why us?"
"Because we're here, lads, because we're here."
-Action Stations
[This message has been edited by Primate (edited February 26, 2000).]
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Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
There... are no characters on the FA cover...
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Long live the Confederation,
Ben "Bandit" Lesnick
( loaf@wcnews.com - 302228)
The Wing Commander CIC
"You go, LOAF! Get some!" -JPG
Bombardez les Ptitard!
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Long live the Confederation,
Ben "Bandit" Lesnick
( loaf@wcnews.com - 302228)
The Wing Commander CIC
"You go, LOAF! Get some!" -JPG
Bombardez les Ptitard!
Black Joker
Spaceman
About ER cover. This carrier #12 - a full copy of Confederation Class Dreadnought (like CVS-65 Concordia). Interesting...
And BTW, Concordia was a single ship in this class? I don't know any other Confederation class Dreadnoughts.
Probably prototype TCS Confederation (the class' name comes from). But I never heard about this TCS...
And about FA cover. These ships looks like a big Fralthi I class. And I think there is a logic in that. Hakaga class was designed in the middle of 2650s, and Fralthi I was a prototype for Hakaga.
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Mikhail "Black Joker" Babloyan
Wing Commander in Russia
And BTW, Concordia was a single ship in this class? I don't know any other Confederation class Dreadnoughts.
Probably prototype TCS Confederation (the class' name comes from). But I never heard about this TCS...
And about FA cover. These ships looks like a big Fralthi I class. And I think there is a logic in that. Hakaga class was designed in the middle of 2650s, and Fralthi I was a prototype for Hakaga.
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Mikhail "Black Joker" Babloyan
Wing Commander in Russia
Death's Head
Spaceman
ER cover can't be a dreadnought, it's too short and the design is very different. The most obvious differences are the lack of forward facing flight bays, the lack of lower pylons, and the lack of rear wings. I don't recall seeing a PTC either.
Presumably there were other CVSs. It seems to be that Confed produces lines in series of ten. The Confed class could have started at CVS-60. Even the Midway class has ten ships in the line to be built.
Hopefully, none of them will be deystroyed as the Vesuvius class has suffered a couple losses. I wonder if the those hulls were salvaged, the dead confed ships appear to be mostly intact, anyway.
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A wingmen is essential; they give the enemy something else to shoot at.
A turret is essential; it gives you something else to shoot with.
Presumably there were other CVSs. It seems to be that Confed produces lines in series of ten. The Confed class could have started at CVS-60. Even the Midway class has ten ships in the line to be built.
Hopefully, none of them will be deystroyed as the Vesuvius class has suffered a couple losses. I wonder if the those hulls were salvaged, the dead confed ships appear to be mostly intact, anyway.
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A wingmen is essential; they give the enemy something else to shoot at.
A turret is essential; it gives you something else to shoot with.
Bandit LOAF
Long Live the Confederation!
Erm, you're thinking of the Ramaans building everything in threes -- we've seen more than ten of some classes of Confederation ships, and significantly less of others.
Other notes on the thread...
The ships on the cover were supposed to be the Kilrathi supercarriers, according to the artist (Paul Alexander?).
The ship on the End Run cover is *probably* the Trafalgar -- since that's the only class of Confederation ship not previously pictured. (Since it's 12, it wouldn't be among the first group of escort carriers). The fighters are probably Grakhi.
The TCS Confederation was the first Concordia dreadnought -- I very much doubt that it was a 'prototype', given the time (five years for the shipyard plus one year to build) and expense (70+ billion) required to built such a ship.
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Long live the Confederation,
Ben "Bandit" Lesnick
( loaf@wcnews.com - 302228)
The Wing Commander CIC
"You go, LOAF! Get some!" -JPG
Bombardez les Ptitard!
Other notes on the thread...
The ships on the cover were supposed to be the Kilrathi supercarriers, according to the artist (Paul Alexander?).
The ship on the End Run cover is *probably* the Trafalgar -- since that's the only class of Confederation ship not previously pictured. (Since it's 12, it wouldn't be among the first group of escort carriers). The fighters are probably Grakhi.
The TCS Confederation was the first Concordia dreadnought -- I very much doubt that it was a 'prototype', given the time (five years for the shipyard plus one year to build) and expense (70+ billion) required to built such a ship.
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Long live the Confederation,
Ben "Bandit" Lesnick
( loaf@wcnews.com - 302228)
The Wing Commander CIC
"You go, LOAF! Get some!" -JPG
Bombardez les Ptitard!
Ziggy Stardust
Spaceman
Ramaan is a funny word! i think there was a guy in the scream 3 movie named ramaan he was the same guy who plays noel on felicity on the WB network but in this movie instead of playing the RA on felicitys dorm he played a movie direcotr, isn't that whack?
and where in the wing commanders are this hacakagas? is that like the big ships from wing commander 3? (THE ONE WHERE THEY WIN THE kilrathi!! YAY!) they didnt really seem all that big though i don't get it?
BTW (by the way, george taught me that abreviasion) if you want to learn about what the ending of scream 3 is (i wont spil it for everyone on the entire chat room) instant message me on my aol and i'll tell you, its a great movie!!
Ziggy Stardust
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Ziggy played guitar, jamming good with Weird and Gilly,
The Spiders From Mars
He played it left hand, but made it too far
Became the special man, then we were Ziggy's band
[This message has been edited by Ziggy Stardust (edited March 01, 2000).]
and where in the wing commanders are this hacakagas? is that like the big ships from wing commander 3? (THE ONE WHERE THEY WIN THE kilrathi!! YAY!) they didnt really seem all that big though i don't get it?
BTW (by the way, george taught me that abreviasion) if you want to learn about what the ending of scream 3 is (i wont spil it for everyone on the entire chat room) instant message me on my aol and i'll tell you, its a great movie!!
Ziggy Stardust
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Ziggy played guitar, jamming good with Weird and Gilly,
The Spiders From Mars
He played it left hand, but made it too far
Became the special man, then we were Ziggy's band
[This message has been edited by Ziggy Stardust (edited March 01, 2000).]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ziggy Stardust:
and where in the wing commanders are this hacakagas? is that like the big ships from wing commander 3? (THE ONE WHERE THEY WIN THE kilrathi!! YAY!) they didnt really seem all that big though i don't get it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The Hakagas are Kilrathi heavy carriers that appear in Fleet Action, and are briefly mentioned in some other novels. The *big ships* from WC3, are Kilrathi dreadnoughts, they are 22km long, or 22,000m if you prefer, and are probably of Vorgrath (sp?) class.
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A good soldier is not the one who die for his country, it's the one who makes his enemy die for his.
Gen. Patton
and where in the wing commanders are this hacakagas? is that like the big ships from wing commander 3? (THE ONE WHERE THEY WIN THE kilrathi!! YAY!) they didnt really seem all that big though i don't get it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The Hakagas are Kilrathi heavy carriers that appear in Fleet Action, and are briefly mentioned in some other novels. The *big ships* from WC3, are Kilrathi dreadnoughts, they are 22km long, or 22,000m if you prefer, and are probably of Vorgrath (sp?) class.
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A good soldier is not the one who die for his country, it's the one who makes his enemy die for his.
Gen. Patton
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bandit LOAF:
The TCS Confederation was the first Concordia dreadnought -- I very much doubt that it was a 'prototype', given the time (five years for the shipyard plus one year to build) and expense (70+ billion) required to built such a ship.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What ever happened to it?
The TCS Confederation was the first Concordia dreadnought -- I very much doubt that it was a 'prototype', given the time (five years for the shipyard plus one year to build) and expense (70+ billion) required to built such a ship.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What ever happened to it?