Classification of TCS Eisen

Dragonslayer

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The TCS Eisen sends its fighters to the Midway in Prophecy. What type of ship is it? A Concordia or a Vesuvius? Is it mentioned in game?
 
Its almost certainly not a Concordia class. The Concordia class is supposed to be an ancient design that's only in use because the ships haven't been scrapped yet. Anything with Eisen's name on it is probably named after the captain of the Victory, and thus relatively new construction.
It might be a Vesuvius class, although 'Eisen' doesn't really fit with the names of the other known Vesuvius class carriers.
So there's a very strong possibility that its a member of an entirely unknown class of carrier.
 
Yeah Ive seen the Eisen listed as a Vesuvius as well but dont really see any evidence of that. The fact that it sends Devastators and Vampires to the Midway makes it probably a fleet carrier, since according to the Prophecy manual escort carriers dont carry those. Since it would be pretty stupid for a carrier to send its entire air group to another and leave itself defenseless the Eisen would have to be pretty big which leads to the Vesuvius conclusion. Im still not sure though
 
Well, my vote is for the Eisen being an escort carrier or the fleet carriers that the Midway-class are about to begin replacing. Thnking that the ship would have to be a design that was being constructed during or slightly after the Kilrathi War (maybe even after WC4 because I don't think the military in any century names ships after living personnel - meaning Eisen died a few years after WC4 corresponding to the death of the great Jason Bernard). I would go as far as saying the Eisen is an escort carrier do to the fact that I think that is what the Victory's designation was (wasn't it a CVE-???). Also, it really doesn't matter what flew from the Eisen (if its an escort carrier) because if you remember correctly (which I am at an advantage since I just read End Run for the first time) one of the responsibilities of an escort carrier was to shuttle fighters/bombers to the more massive carriers.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents . . .

C-ya
 
Originally posted by junior
So there's a very strong possibility that its a member of an entirely unknown class of carrier.
Except for one very big hole in that argument -- it is known (through various documentation and from within Prophecy) that Confed is placing all of its current construction efforts into the MIDWAY-class. It is very doubtful that they are developing any other new carrier types. Given that the CONCORDIA-class ships are indeed rather elderly, and that they don't really carry enough fighter craft to supply a mega-carrier AND defend itself sufficiently, that leaves the VESUVIUS-class as the most likely type.
 
Originally posted by Viper61
...because I don't think the military in any century names ships after living personnel
Umm...how about the USS RONALD REAGAN, already christened and in final stages of construction at Newport News SHipyards, Virginia, USA?

Victory's designation was (wasn't it a CVE-???).
CV-40, though her specs heavily imply that she is in fact a light carrier, CVL.
 
Originally posted by WildWeasel
It's impossible for there to be some other class of fleet carrier out there?

It's possible, but it wouldn't really make any sense given what we currently know. It'd negate the whole Midway-replacing-older-carriers thing in the ICIS manual.

To interject a personal opinion, a Vesuvius class named the Eisen would be pretty darned appropriate, given his takeover off the Mt. St. Helens (G)
 
Oddly enough, that's what I'm requesting of you. Nowhere does it state that the Eisen is a Vesuvius. We can speculate that it's a fleet carrier, but that's as far as we can go.
 
You proved it on evidence, LOAF, and made a rather circumstantial answer. Yes, it makes sense, but it's not an absolute.

And no, I don't have a better answer than the one you gave.
 
Indeed. Personally, I also happen to believe that it's a Vesuvius, but I can't ignore the possibility that it could also be something else.
 
*I* can, based on the amount of understanding we have of how the WC universe works, and what the implications of another class of heavy carriers would be to said knowledge.
 
Its unlikely that Confed would have named a carrier 'Eisen' while the good captain was still in service. So either its named after someone else named Eisen who lived quite a while earlier, or it was built post-WC4. I suspect the latter is more likely, and also that a retired Eisen was present at the launching of the ship (irrelevent to the argument).
Any mention of whether or not Eisen retired at the end of WC4, or stuck around for a few more years?
IIRC, there's about 15 years between WC4 and WCP. Its quite possible that one or more carriers of a different class were built in this time period, but any new construction probably wouldn't directly compete with the Vesuvius (otherwise they'd build a Vesuvius instead).
Dragonslayer pointed out that the Vampires and Devastators aren't being deployed on escort carriers (no real surprise). Does the manual mention anything about light carriers? The Victory was effectively a CVL, so a CVL named Eisen might be seen as appropriate. The only flaw in that argument is that its unlikely that a light carrier would be able to lose a fighter squadron to reassignment, and continue a mini-offensive (as the Eisen does). Of course, that fighter squadron may have only been on board the Eisen in order to transfer it to the Midway (iirc, the Eisen still has Vampires after the reassignment, implying more than one squadron on-board prior to the reassignment). If the Eisen is a CVL, then it might explain why a carrier group that is classified as "not posing a threat" to the Midway is dangerous enough to the Eisen to draw a strike from the Midway.
The biggest argument against the Eisen being a Vesuvius (and really the only argument) is the fact that the name clashes with the other Vesuvius names that we know. LOAF has a point that it might just be a case of an ironic sense of humor on the part of the naming board (or whoever names the ships), but I suspect the Admiralty would be a little annoyed about that. Eisen did effectively desert, after all.
 
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