Capships should never be destroyed...

Originally posted by Dragon
Phase shield stop all weapons and Missiles (except antimatter and torpedos) from doing any damage.
Nope, like I already said, shields on capships in all of the games are Phase shields. It's just that sometimes weapons technology evolves faster than shielding and you'll be able to use most of your weapons, before shields will be upgraded again.
 
In WC2 They do, yes its because of the techology in WC2(that is the game that we are talking) only Antimater weapons and torpedos can hurt a ship (or base) protected by a Phase shield, since the Corvettes take damage from all weapons the shields on them are not working as they sould.
Why? dont know.
the reason why Antimater and torpedos do any damage is because both weapons bypass the shields.
 
as others have already said perhaps Corvets dont have enough power to provide phase shields the necessary power to block all incoming weapons fire. Or maybe the Kilrathi like it when we destroy their corvets, perhaps they fill the corvets with disgraced warriors and want them to die :)
 
Escorted transports should fight corvettes

In WC III Heart of the Tiger, I would've preferred the transports to have opened fire on the corvettes in Orsini. I think it would've been funny to have blown off all corvette turrets and then let the transport shoot up the corvette.
 
The transports would have long passed by the Corvettes and moved to the next nav point before they could even scratch the paint.:)
 
IIRC in Orsini you don't want corvettes getting near transports because of the skipper missile. But the Victory tears up corvettes pretty good.
 
pretty much anything tears up corvettes pretty good. I wonder if anyone's tried to make a mission (wc3 or otherwise) where a cruiser or something jumps into the middle of your carrier group just before/after it jumps out.
 
RE: To Penguin's message

Penguin, I would've taken out the Skipper missile. I just think it would've been funny if the Kilrathi Corvette Crew was humiliated when they got shot up by a transport. It might have encouraged them to surrender -- in Fleet Action, the Kilrathi don't consider Kilrathi who choose to crew transports as "honorable and mighty Kilrathi". It would've been humiliating for the Kilrathi Crew if a video tape had been given by ConFed to Kilrathi nobles whom aren't of the Kilrathi Corvette's crews' Clan. Those nobles would've aired the videotape to humiliate the Clan of that Corvette Crew and this humiliating videotape would've been played in Kilrathi Schools over and over again. Of course, if the Kilrathi Corvette Crew would've preferred Confed to not give the videotape to other Kilrathi nobles, they might have agreed to surrendering. Simply put, Confed gets a new corvette and the Corvette's former crew doesn't have its Clan humiliated. I'm sure the Kilrathi Crew would've preferred it that way. No Kilrathi crew is going to let itself be shot to death when all its weapons are gone.
 
Re: RE: To Penguin's message

Originally posted by Chip
I just think it would've been funny if the Kilrathi Corvette Crew was humiliated when they got shot up by a transport.
A transport doesn't carry anything that could hurt a corvette.

Those nobles would've aired the videotape to humiliate the Clan of that Corvette Crew and this humiliating videotape would've been played in Kilrathi Schools over and over again.
Do you think that a single ship is manned by one clan? Especially a ship as unsignificant like a corvette?

Of course, if the Kilrathi Corvette Crew would've preferred Confed to not give the videotape to other Kilrathi nobles, they might have agreed to surrendering. Simply put, Confed gets a new corvette and the Corvette's former crew doesn't have its Clan humiliated. I'm sure the Kilrathi Crew would've preferred it that way. No Kilrathi crew is going to let itself be shot to death when all its weapons are gone.
This has to be the single dumbes idea I ever heard from you Chip.:) It's hilarious though...
 
The Kilrathi does not surrender.
What is worst, die for the Empire by a tranport our Surrender.

A transport can kill a corvette if you shoot down all its turretes so the corvette does not fight back (more likely the corvette would ram the tranport but...) but thansports are more interesed in getting the hell out of there before the corvette call for help that killing one.
 
EW: A transport doesn't carry anything that could hurt a corvette.

CB: Yes it does -- 2 turrets -- transports have been known to use their turrets to destroy fighters.

EW: Do you think that a single ship is manned by one clan? Especially a ship as unsignificant like a corvette?

CB: Yes. If the Corvettes are so insignificant, then no one would care who'd be on it so no one would require multi-Clan ships so people could keep an eye on each other. The Kilrathi (given the example of Prince Thrakhath using his own Clan to secretly build the supercarriers) seem to prefer just their own Clan to man their vessels. Besides, the Corvette Captain would be surrendering the corvette. It would be his family that gets humiliated. Most people regardless of their species, prefer to stay alive. Even Prince Thrakhath who was a prisoner of the Terrans (see Fleet Action novel) never killed himself.

Dragon: The Kilrathi does not surrender.
What is worst, die for the Empire by a tranport our Surrender.
A transport can kill a corvette if you shoot down all its turretes so the corvette does not fight back (more likely the corvette would ram the tranport but...) but thansports are more interesed in getting the hell out of there before the corvette call for help that killing one.

CB: If you'll read Heart of the Tiger novel, you'll understand that the Emperor himself knows his Kilrathi followers are not stupid -- some might be, but for the most part, the Kilrathi think about their own futures more than their Emperor's future. Actually, even before the war began, the Kilrathi didn't think that highly of the Emperor. Besides, if the Kilrathi do prefer to allow themselves to be killed, ConFed could broadcast how the Emperor prefers his own followers to die a pointless death instead of encouraging his followers to surrender so they might one day escape and reunite with their Kilrathi bretheren. ConFed could also broadcast how tbe Emperor is just trying to get rid of his own kind by insisting that they surrender. It's been proven that surrendered troops create tactical necessities for the guards. The prisoners have to be guarded, kept track of, given food & medical care. All these necessities and how the Emperor doesn't care about his followers could enable ConFed to broadcast a message that says how much easier it will be for ConFed to win the war -- ConFed just keeps killing the troops the Emperor sends out to battle since they won't surrender. Finally, ConFed could broadcast messages like, "If the Emperor doesn't care about the futures of his Kilrathi followers, you'll know that since he doesn't insist that they surrender so they might one day have futures after the war is over. Given a choice between ConFed and the Emperor, you're better off if you surrender to us."
 
for crying out loud.
For a kilrathi surrender is NOT a option. Why because its to lose Honor and ashamed their Clan.
As for the emperor.
Let me put this way. who the kilrathi belive? The Emperor, a kilrathi like them our The Confed, aliens.
Malek could not even say that word in the game.Its a desgrace to lose Honor by being captured.
Kilrathi are Aliens, not humans.
Kilrathi also are know to slash up their troats sinple because they acidenty insult a superior.
 
the reason why Antimater and torpedos do any damage is because both weapons bypass the shields.

Anti-matter weapons do NOT bypass the shields. They slam into them and overload them, eventually. Conventional arms do some damage to all phase shields, it's just that in most cases it isn't enough to matter (read AS to get nice explinations on how various things affect sheilds)

TC
 
Dragon wrote: For a kilrathi surrender is NOT a option. Why because its to lose Honor and ashamed their Clan.

CB: Oh really? Then how do you explain that Ragitagah Kilrathi who in Price of Victory surrendered? And remember, Prince Thrakhath was a prisoner. There was a WC episode in which several Kilrathi surrendered to Confed Marines. Looks to me like Kilrathi do surrender.

Dragon: As for the emperor.
Let me put this way. who the kilrathi belive? The Emperor, a kilrathi like them our The Confed, aliens.
Malek could not even say that word in the game.Its a desgrace to lose Honor by being captured.
Kilrathi are Aliens, not humans.
Kilrathi also are know to slash up their troats sinple because they acidenty insult a superior

CB: Actually, at the end of WCIII, Melek was the one who wanted the Kilrathi to surrender after his homeworld got blown up.
 
Originally posted by Chip
Oh really? Then how do you explain that Ragitagah Kilrathi who in Price of Victory surrendered? And remember, Prince Thrakhath was a prisoner. There was a WC episode in which several Kilrathi surrendered to Confed Marines. Looks to me like Kilrathi do surrender.
Kilrathi do not surrender, they betray:), as is the case in some of the Academy episodes. Meanwhile Thrak is a speciall case. He was never much of a Kilrathi, and would do anything to survive.

Dragon: As for the emperor.
Let me put this way. who the kilrathi belive? The Emperor, a kilrathi like them our The Confed, aliens.
Malek could not even say that word in the game.Its a desgrace to lose Honor by being captured.
Kilrathi are Aliens, not humans.
Kilrathi also are know to slash up their troats sinple because they acidenty insult a superior

Actually, at the end of WCIII, Melek was the one who wanted the Kilrathi to surrender after his homeworld got blown up.
Yeah, and majority of Kilrathi didn't give a flying f*** about what Melek said since he has no authority.
 
RE: To Earthworm's message

Earthworm wrote: Yeah, and majority of Kilrathi didn't give a flying f*** about what Melek said since he has no authority.

CB: Actually, in the Price of Freedom novel, Melek states that many Kilrathi believed that the Kilrathi lost their homeworld because they had deceived the Confederation with their false promise of peace. The surrender was the only option left.
 
If you're going to quote the novels, than do it right...

Melek said there were many like him, that believed they were lovering themselves to the human, prey species, level. Notice however, that many doesn't mean most. Most of the Kilrathi didn't respect Melek, they didn't care about the so called orders he gave, and they belived him to be a lowly servant of Thraks.

Fighting till the last drop of blood was the last option left for the more "traditional" Kilrathi.
 
RE: To Earthworm's message

And that fighting option was not a viable option. The only viable option was surrender. As you can see, the Kilrathi can surrender, they just have to be "convinced" that's what they must do.
 
What was so unviable about continuing to fight? The Kilrathi may have lost a lot of ships, but after the BoT Confed couldn't have had that much more of an advantage.
 
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