Bush?

Now I know you're just being silly. I thought that they can't compete with the military of Israel, and so they are forced to these measures and have to wage war on innocent people, however wrong that may be.

 

What you are saying here, exactaly? Do you think it's Terrorism? Justifiable? Acceptable?

 

What I'm saying is what I thought the situation is in Israel and Palastine. I'm not a great big expert on the topic, so correct me if I'm wrong. But I feel that suicide bombings on innocent people, no matter what, is unjustifiable and unacceptable, and yes it could probably be called terrorism as well, if you want to put it in the sense that these are attacks intended to bend people to one's will.

 

So by your opinion they can be called terrorism in that sense. A contrario sensu, then, in which sense suicide bombing against innocent civilians cannot be called terrorism.

 

Um sorry. Just run that by me again.

 

Well, try to read or remember what you have written yourself. Let me quote again, because scrolling down seems too much of a challenge.

So it probably could (i.e., not necessarily, a possibility) be called terrorism as well (i.e., it must have other names), if things are put in that sense (i.e., under a different perspective, it would not be called terrorism).

So, please explain under what perspective it would not be called terrorism. Also, explain the other classifications you'd give suicidal bombing of innocent civilians as well. Everything is unequivocally implied by your message, unless you of course changed your mind and wish to retract.

 

Really? I had no idea. How strange.

 

--snip.

Right, I get what you're saying. Do you think maybe that, not all Palastinions but the ones who do this at least, believe what I said before?

Well, if Palastine are trying to make the Israelis live in fear, or are trying to bend them to their demands and such, then I'd call it terrorism. If it is revenge for something the Israelis have, I could be right on it being the reason for all the problems I'm not sure, then...I don't know. I suppose the Israelis would call it terrorism but I'm not really sure how to class that one.

 

No. If I did say that then I retract the statement. What I meant to say is that those who do believe what these suicide bombers believe probably make their kids believe that it's a great honor to die for Palastine or what they believe in. When I said how it's the same thing in Palastine when I said how some children of terrorists would gladly take up terrorism themselve's (Binladen's recruitment efforts for children would have probably had something to do with that), I wasn't making an indictment of the whole country. Just the people who commit these acts.

 

not to mention Saddam giving $10,000 (i think that was the amount) to the families of suicide bombers

 

Did he just? I wish he'd give me that much so I can do something about my brittle ankles.

 

yeah, it's just one more reason to nail saddam. we get him, there might be a decline in suicide bombings, since their families won't get money (at least from him)

 

Its been public knowledge for quite a while. I think there are other sources that also provide a form of "life insurance" for the families of suicide bombers, but Saddam's chunk of change is the biggest.

 

Just going back on the Palestinian question, the real worry I have, is that there are a lot who want to fight and die.

For example, I had a discussion with a "Palestinian" girl midway through 2001. I was taking a moderate pro-West stance in my discussion and her, and her left wing friends all went to town on me. I was trying to defend the West and America (some people may find this a bit odd, considering my anti-war stance) but these people would have none of it.

The final straw came when I asked a hypothetical question. "If there was a war between Palestine and Australia, who would you fight for?" Her reply was that she would without a doubt fight for Palestine. I was shocked. I asked why would she do such a thing considering she had lived in Australia all her life and was an Australian citizen. She responded that she will always be a Palestinian.

Truly shocked, I told her that in Palestine, they wouldn't want her back. She's not Palestinian to them. She dresses and thinks like a Westerner. However, I told her to go back there if she loved it so much. Since then I have had a completely different view of Palestinians. I was amazed at this fanaticism.

I, like her, have parents from a different nation. My father was born in Italy and my mother had German parents. Regardless, I am not Italian nor German, I am Australian and would not even consider this girl's course of action.

It pains me to say it, I do believe that Palestinians are trouble. I do believe in a state for them, but they are too fanatic for my liking and indeed world security. Even the Jordanians (a fellow Arab nation) are worried. There are now more Palestinians in Jordan than there are Jordanians!

And no, for the hawks on this message board, this does not defeat my argument re Iraq. To me, Hussein is only supporting Palestinians to gain credibility and support from Arab countries.

 

I think the trick is to live in so many different countries that you don't identify with anything. Like me I'm a citizen of the world!